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Posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 16:22:51
Hi,
Has anyone come across anything that indicates why people such as myself have no energy - tired all the time? If I just knew the cause I could treat it!
I'm currently taking adderall 30 mg/day but I get headaches every time I take it and don't want to have to take ibuprofen twice a day (hard on the liver). Anybody know a cure for these headaches?
Any natural substances that increase energy? I'm thinking maybe my thyroid is a tad bit low. I should purchase a thermometer and test myself.
I've thought about ordering thyroid thru (an expensive but natural thyroid enhancer). I read about it on
www.curezone.com
which by the way is an awesome alternative health site with tons of forums and helpful people. I was reading an article that said hypothyroid is highly underdiagnosed and if you have fatigue and cold hands and feet it could be mild hypothyroidism and that use of SSRI antidepressants can bring it on.I've also considered mercury toxicity from fillings, which could also cause a lot of my symptoms.
Anybody been able to figure out the cause of low energy and treat it naturally? I also get frequent headaches (even without adderall but the adderall brings them on everyday). I do take magnesium taurate for headaches,but it doesn't help these adderall ones. I know MSG and pop give me headaches, so I avoid those.
Let me just say I'm so tired of doctors who are unable to treat tiredness, when it is one of the most common complaints by patients! To me, that is incompetence in the medical profession, it has to have a cause! It can take years from your life and jeopardize your ability to work and get anything done in life.
Any comments or experiences or responses welcomed and appreciated!
Posted by Jimmyboy on November 28, 2006, at 17:40:21
In reply to Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 16:22:51
I have the same problem, so I would like to hear an answere also. I started taking slow release T3 for throid and I can;t tell a differance at all.
I just got a shipment of PEA ( phenylethylamine ) powder and am probably going to try that with Selegiline.You might consider DLPA or L-Phenylalanine + Selegiline. You can order Selegiline ( deprynyl) from websites w/ out scrip I think ... but not sure.
I saw a doctor who specialized in chronic fatigue and , I will just say it... I don;t think anyone knows the problem unfortunately. But environmental stuff, like your filings definitely could be making it worse. Good luck
Oh yeah - he suggested these supplements if you haven't tried yet: fish oil, good multivitamin, probiotics, CoQ 10 , denatured whey protein.
JB
Posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 18:19:34
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by Jimmyboy on November 28, 2006, at 17:40:21
> I have the same problem, so I would like to hear an answere also. I started taking slow release T3 for throid and I can;t tell a differance at all.
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> I just got a shipment of PEA ( phenylethylamine ) powder and am probably going to try that with Selegiline.
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> You might consider DLPA or L-Phenylalanine + Selegiline. You can order Selegiline ( deprynyl) from websites w/ out scrip I think ... but not sure.
>
> I saw a doctor who specialized in chronic fatigue and , I will just say it... I don;t think anyone knows the problem unfortunately. But environmental stuff, like your filings definitely could be making it worse. Good luck
>
> Oh yeah - he suggested these supplements if you haven't tried yet: fish oil, good multivitamin, probiotics, CoQ 10 , denatured whey protein.
>
> JB
>Ok, what exactly is selegiline? I know they use it for parkinsons and it affects dopamine somehow.
But, I believe some people on psycho babble have tried selegiline without much luck. I'm also worried about my dopamine receptors becoming less dense and TD and some of the long-term effects from meds that affect dopamine.I have tried Tyrosone in the past and it makes me irritable. I know I've tried phenylalanine several years ago but didn't continue it for reasons I can no longer remember.
What is denatured whey protein and how does it help?
Posted by Jimmyboy on November 28, 2006, at 18:32:29
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 18:19:34
There seems to be a connection between Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and low glutathione levels and apparently the denatured protein is a really good way to raise glutathione levels..
there are several posts above on that topic, so you may want to check it out if time permits
JB
Posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 20:02:04
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by Jimmyboy on November 28, 2006, at 18:32:29
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> There seems to be a connection between Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and low glutathione levels and apparently the denatured protein is a really good way to raise glutathione levels..
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> there are several posts above on that topic, so you may want to check it out if time permits
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> JBJB,
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I had read the above posts previously and didn't really make the connection, but now I've researched tiredness and glutathione and I understand it's importance.
Let us know if the denatured whey works for you. T
he articles tealady posted about mercury and fillings and glutathione depletion is interesting and the connection to chronic fatigue. And I was suspecting mercury from my fillings to be causing toxicity. It's interesting to see this whole relationship.Thanks so much for mentioning the glutathione. Wow, that'd be great if it ends up being my problem and helping me!
Posted by dessbee on November 29, 2006, at 5:19:16
In reply to Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 16:22:51
There are several ways to improve your fatigue
1. Eat fatty fish every day. This diet will provide you with at least 20 gram of fish oil each day.
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/articles-submit/david-mcevoy/omega-3-fatigue.htm
2. Avoid to many carbs and make sure you are not overweight. Best way is to skip sugar, grains and sweet fruits. To much carbs will result in insulin resistance. Compensate less carbs with more proteins.
http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/insulin.htm
3. Get sunlight every day. A daily walk outside will lower melatonin levels during the day and improve circidian rythm.
4. When you start to feel stronger; exercise 2-3 times every week.
http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/129/117385.htm
The most important thing to get back on track is to eat fatty fish (salmon, mackerel and herring)
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on November 29, 2006, at 6:55:08
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by dessbee on November 29, 2006, at 5:19:16
Its a good question, and very difficult to answer!
Yes, buy a thermometer and do the Barnes Temperature test, check out http://www.thyroiduk.org/ its on there somewhere.
Be healthy, you know exercise, get in the fresh air etc etc.
But to be perfectly honest, obvious physical illness and things like that aside, I generally think tiredness is partly pyschosomatic. Or at least it can be I think. What do you do for a living? Do you enjoy what you do? When I'm not doing something in life that interests me and motivates me, I become tired and lack a certain lustre.
Have you checked yourself out for atypical depression? Or could it be a post viral fatigue thing? I once spent a good month generally tired after I got some viral infection in my first year at college (kissing too many boys!!)
Personally, I wouldn't say all carbs are bad. Simple carbs like white bread, boiled potatoes etc yes, avoid those but complex carbs like beans and veggies and fruits and oats actually go along way into you more energy actually. I really hate no-carb diets - our bodies have been designed to eat mainly carbs! They're no good for your kidneys either. I would avoid coffee too.
And I personally would only recommend eating 3 portions of oily fish a week - there are way too many environmental toxins that are contained within the fatty tissues of these fish. They pose a real health threat, I think even the FDA in the US has issued warnings over this. But by all means take a fish oil supplement which has been screened and filtered for these toxins.
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by tgo on November 29, 2006, at 22:16:56
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by Meri-Tuuli on November 29, 2006, at 6:55:08
> Its a good question, and very difficult to answer!
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> Yes, buy a thermometer and do the Barnes Temperature test, check out http://www.thyroiduk.org/ its on there somewhere.
>
> Be healthy, you know exercise, get in the fresh air etc etc.
>
> But to be perfectly honest, obvious physical illness and things like that aside, I generally think tiredness is partly pyschosomatic. Or at least it can be I think. What do you do for a living? Do you enjoy what you do? When I'm not doing something in life that interests me and motivates me, I become tired and lack a certain lustre.
>
> Have you checked yourself out for atypical depression? Or could it be a post viral fatigue thing? I once spent a good month generally tired after I got some viral infection in my first year at college (kissing too many boys!!)
>
> Personally, I wouldn't say all carbs are bad. Simple carbs like white bread, boiled potatoes etc yes, avoid those but complex carbs like beans and veggies and fruits and oats actually go along way into you more energy actually. I really hate no-carb diets - our bodies have been designed to eat mainly carbs! They're no good for your kidneys either. I would avoid coffee too.
>
> And I personally would only recommend eating 3 portions of oily fish a week - there are way too many environmental toxins that are contained within the fatty tissues of these fish. They pose a real health threat, I think even the FDA in the US has issued warnings over this. But by all means take a fish oil supplement which has been screened and filtered for these toxins.
>
> Kind regards
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> MeriYes, I definitely have had atypical depression for years. I'm not imagining the tiredness - it's extreme and has been present for years. I used to have tons of energy. I wonder where I can find fish oil that has been screened for toxins? Thanks for your thoughts.
tgo
Posted by Quintal on November 30, 2006, at 16:14:52
In reply to Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 16:22:51
I started taking L-carnitine, quercetin and L-tyrosine today and found I could do things like walking the dogs an extra mile without becoming fatigued and dizzy. I don't feel an kick out of the aminos though, I just noticed that I don't get as tired so easily. I'm interested to see the effect it will have on my sleep tonight. I also have some niacinamide 1000mg and Californian Poppy flower capsules to help with that.
I suppose sleep has a big effect on our mood and energy levels the next day, so working at getting a night of deep, refreshing sleep is a good place to start? Easier said than done of course if you have mood and anxiety problems to begin with.
I agree with Meri-Tulli that tiredness is often psychosomatic. I've noticed this in myself when I'm dreading something or feeling generally jaded with life I'm also very tired. When I'm full of hope and really looking forward to the future there's no stopping me - I hardly sleep at all, but then I'm manic depressive.......
I guess it helps generally to get as much pleasure out of your everyday life as you can, and for that I've found dopamine boosting drugs and supps quite effective.
Q
Posted by Declan on December 1, 2006, at 0:18:53
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by Jimmyboy on November 28, 2006, at 17:40:21
Eating so as to maintain optimum insulin/blood sugar levels is important, especially in the long term.
No refined sugar, no junk food, no manufactured food, lots of good fruits, vegetables and protein.
That's a start.
Posted by sregan on December 8, 2006, at 18:24:55
In reply to Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 16:22:51
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone come across anything that indicates why people such as myself have no energy - tired all the time? If I just knew the cause I could treat it!
Could be a bunch of reasons:
1. Depression - Neuorochemical imbalance
2. Food Allergy
3. Chronic Fatigue
4. Hormonal-Thyroid/Adrenal
5. Fibromyalgia
6. Blood sugar issues
Sorry there is no one answer. You can try supplements that are known to increase energy like NADH, B12-Methylcobalamin, CoQ10.
Posted by madeline on December 8, 2006, at 20:15:44
In reply to Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by tgo on November 28, 2006, at 16:22:51
I think you've gotten some good advice on this thread.
I have only one thing to add, are you anemic?
Be sure that you are getting enough B12, iron and folate to support appropriate red blood cell production.
If you don't trust fish oils, flax seed oil can be a good substitute.
Do you sleep well? You might want to have yourself checked for sleep apnea or a sleep disorder.
Maddie
Posted by sregan on December 9, 2006, at 10:46:36
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy??? » tgo, posted by sregan on December 8, 2006, at 18:24:55
7. Gut issues
Posted by dreamann on December 13, 2006, at 22:09:05
In reply to Re: Anyone know the real cause of no energy???, posted by sregan on December 9, 2006, at 10:46:36
B-12 injections of methylcobalamin (type your brain uses) have helped me to some extent.
also if you look into the mercury issue take a look at this website http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html
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