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Posted by saturn on November 29, 2006, at 21:12:28
There have been times in my life where I've had *amazing* relief of anxiety and ADHD with magnesium. However, this effect seems to poop-out. I've tried to find the right dosage, ratio w/ calcium/etc...Any suggestions?
Does the form of Magnesium matter and the Calcium ratio?
What is the highest reasonably safe upper limit and recommendation of magnesium?
(Just FYI I take 1-2 Slow-Mags/day plus 125 mg in my multivitamin. I've heard Mag-Chloride-found in slow-magg-- is the best form.)
Thanks sincerely...Saturn
Posted by aeon on November 29, 2006, at 22:08:06
In reply to a few questions about magnesium, posted by saturn on November 29, 2006, at 21:12:28
Hi Saturn
As I mentioned in my discovery post, I have also tried mag alot in the past.
However it never worked for me though I knew the science of it is good... I couldn't understand why it didn't have an effect.
I tried all different types, and clacium ratios, and nothing seemed to do anything, but give me diarrheoa!
It was not until last night that I realised that there needs to be a "helper" to get it into the brain and that acetly - l carnitine would be ideal.
It works! I'm at my third dose and the relief is profound. However I can't tell you if this will poop out, at the moment I am getting additive effects with each dose.
When bound in a chelate the actual dose of Mg is much smaller than listed on the bottle. In my 800 mgs Mag Orotate there is only 52mg of elemental magnesium. So no matter the form I don't think you need to overdo it - just take it WITH acetyl l carnitine.
Cheers
aeon
Posted by aeon on November 29, 2006, at 22:16:46
In reply to a few questions about magnesium, posted by saturn on November 29, 2006, at 21:12:28
FYI re: Magnesium
Rapid recovery from major depression using magnesium treatment.
* Eby GA,
* Eby KL.George Eby Research, 14909-C Fitzhugh Road, Austin, TX 78736, USA. george.eby@coldcure.com
Major depression is a mood disorder characterized by a sense of inadequacy, despondency, decreased activity, pessimism, anhedonia and sadness where these symptoms severely disrupt and adversely affect the person's life, sometimes to such an extent that suicide is attempted or results. Antidepressant drugs are not always effective and some have been accused of causing an increased number of suicides particularly in young people. Magnesium deficiency is well known to produce neuropathologies. Only 16% of the magnesium found in whole wheat remains in refined flour, and magnesium has been removed from most drinking water supplies, setting a stage for human magnesium deficiency. Magnesium ions regulate calcium ion flow in neuronal calcium channels, helping to regulate neuronal nitric oxide production. In magnesium deficiency, neuronal requirements for magnesium may not be met, causing neuronal damage which could manifest as depression. Magnesium treatment is hypothesized to be effective in treating major depression resulting from intraneuronal magnesium deficits. These magnesium ion neuronal deficits may be induced by stress hormones, excessive dietary calcium as well as dietary deficiencies of magnesium. Case histories are presented showing rapid recovery (less than 7 days) from major depression using 125-300 mg of magnesium (as glycinate and taurinate) with each meal and at bedtime. Magnesium was found usually effective for treatment of depression in general use. Related and accompanying mental illnesses in these case histories including traumatic brain injury, headache, suicidal ideation, anxiety, irritability, insomnia, postpartum depression, cocaine, alcohol and tobacco abuse, hypersensitivity to calcium, short-term memory loss and IQ loss were also benefited. Dietary deficiencies of magnesium, coupled with excess calcium and stress may cause many cases of other related symptoms including agitation, anxiety, irritability, confusion, asthenia, sleeplessness, headache, delirium, hallucinations and hyperexcitability, with each of these having been previously documented. The possibility that magnesium deficiency is the cause of most major depression and related mental health problems including IQ loss and addiction is enormously important to public health and is recommended for immediate further study. Fortifying refined grain and drinking water with biologically available magnesium to pre-twentieth century levels is recommended.
PMID: 16542786 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Posted by tgo on November 29, 2006, at 22:33:54
In reply to Re: a few questions about magnesium, posted by aeon on November 29, 2006, at 22:16:46
I've actually read George Eby's whole magnesium site and it is long!! I've been taking magnesium taurate for a while and I haven't noticed any benefits.
I will try taking it with acetyl l carnitine as you did.
tgo
Posted by kiwiredbeach on November 30, 2006, at 1:18:43
In reply to Re: a few questions about magnesium » aeon, posted by tgo on November 29, 2006, at 22:33:54
Im not sure that eveybody is short of magnesium, hence some people benefit from magnesium and some dont. I know im short of magnesium, however I havent seen any major effect myself. I guess ill need to try longer myslef. Im taking 600mg of elemental magnesium.
Cheers kiwiredbeach
Posted by saturn on November 30, 2006, at 7:09:10
In reply to Re: a few questions about magnesium, posted by aeon on November 29, 2006, at 22:08:06
Thanks aeon for the info and pubmed article.May I ask how much acetyl l carnitine you take the mag with?
And if there are any precautions that should be taken w/ acetyl-l carnitine (I've heard of it many times but never looked into it).
You mentioned "the relief is profound". Do you mean from anxiety or depression or other? I recall how calm and focused mag made me feel when it worked. Hope it continues for you. :)
Peace...Saturn.
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