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Posted by bleauberry on March 13, 2011, at 10:05:55
Just my opinion, and maybe 1000 others, LDN should be at the heart of every psychiatric patient's treatment. By itself it is not usually a cure. But in the vast majority of people it makes other treatments work that otherwise did not. We're talking a laundry list of conditions...psychiatric all kinds, crohns, lupus, MS, Lyme, on and on.....no matter, they all have one thing very common...depression.
Heroin addicts have discovered that ultra low dose naltrexone prevents tolerance and prevents withdrawal. LDN is usually 1.5mg to 4.5mg at bedtime. But since it's discovery about a decade ago, patients have discovered that much smaller doses can work better sometimes, and that trying it during the day sometimes works when bedtime didn't. The heroin or pain killer people discovered that doses as small as 1/10th of 1mg is what did the job nicely. The theory is that at such a tiny dose it blocked only the opioid receptors involved with dysphoria and tolerance, but not the ones involved with euphoria. Who knows.
No matter how you slice it, there is something very profound about LDN. I believe it has a huge beneficial role to play in treating depression. Sad, because it is mostly unknown by most doctors, and because it is dirt cheap with near zero risk or side effects.
The natural opioid system....mood, immunity, overall health, hormones....need say no more.
My doctor is a huge fan of LDN because she has seen it do so many wonderful things in the toughest cases. Currently it primarily used in "mystery" diseases or Lyme disease (which is a mystery in its own). But I firmly believe it has a large role to play in psychiatry and I am sad that the other drugs take priority over it.
If this is new to anyone, please just google LDN. Visit the home page, read about it other places too. Gather info. For those where this is not new, you've heard of it before or maybe you've even tried it before, maybe time for a revisit.
Posted by sigismund on March 14, 2011, at 15:43:30
In reply to LDN, posted by bleauberry on March 13, 2011, at 10:05:55
On askapatient some people reported feeling wired and had insomnia.
Since I have that anyway I have mixed feelings about LDN.
Was that a problem for you?
Posted by bleauberry on March 14, 2011, at 17:09:03
In reply to Re: LDN, posted by sigismund on March 14, 2011, at 15:43:30
> On askapatient some people reported feeling wired and had insomnia.
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> Since I have that anyway I have mixed feelings about LDN.
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> Was that a problem for you?No actually I slept better. I think the first two nights there was a hint of a dopamine/norepinephrine thing and sleep was lighter than usual. After that it was deeper than usual.
I like those websites for getting a realworld view of the side effects people have, efficacy, withdrawals, etc. I have not personally found that information helpful in choosing my own meds or herbs. All too often the obvious thing that would not be good for me ends up being really good, while the thing that looked obviously a winner was a disaster.
As I mentioned, some people are finding that even the lowest dose of 1.5mg is too much for them. I think my trial was too high at 1.5mg so I'm going to do less next time, probably a lot less. Amazing med, but super potent. I would make a guess that those people who had insomnia/wired side effects probably should have immediately lowered the dose and then maybe increased it later.
Posted by sigismund on March 14, 2011, at 18:15:14
In reply to Re: LDN » sigismund, posted by bleauberry on March 14, 2011, at 17:09:03
I have read reports from people who said that eventually they slept more deeply.
Posted by tea on March 15, 2011, at 22:49:41
In reply to Re: LDN, posted by sigismund on March 14, 2011, at 18:15:14
I foget what happened. I tried a low dose, and it certainly has a powerful effect even at a levry low dose. I recall thinking it would have been worth your while to try it at a very low dose. I'd have to search ., possibly on here, for the effects. I know I was glad I had tried it, even though I had to stop. I think it did build up my immune system even a tad... gee I can't remember anthing though .
Hi everyone. GG's post to say hello go me wanting to reply. I havent looked on here for a long time.
I think perhaps the japan earthquake, tsunami, and nuclear iuncident got me thinking backso hi all, hope everything is getting better even if it seems a slow uphill battle
Posted by sigismund on March 17, 2011, at 14:04:22
In reply to Re: LDN, posted by tea on March 15, 2011, at 22:49:41
Why did you stop?
Do you remember?
Evidently it didn't help with your memory :)
Posted by tea on March 17, 2011, at 14:35:43
In reply to Re: LDN » tea, posted by sigismund on March 17, 2011, at 14:04:22
> Why did you stop?
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> Do you remember?
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> Evidently it didn't help with your memory :)
Nope LOL :)
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