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Posted by nicolas on September 4, 2004, at 22:03:30
Hello,
I've been wrapped up in my own recovery lately and so was shocked, frightened, and disheartened to read the headlines this afternoon.
As a Christian, I believe the days of vengence are over. Christ was a martyr for peace. As outrageous and reprehensible as this recent acts of the separatist certainly are, I still don't believe peace can be achieved through war. Also it saddnes me that these separaritist are Islamic. Islam only means a total submission to God. It certainly does not mean what happened in Russia.
The 21st century has gotten off to an appalling start but let's, in the midst of war, all continue to pray for peace ... however small it seems, one small prayer, to actualize peace in one's own life is the beginning of real change.
Posted by verne on September 5, 2004, at 1:22:15
In reply to A Prayer for Peace, posted by nicolas on September 4, 2004, at 22:03:30
I just want to go easy when it comes to the world. Help when I can but not get stressed out about the news I can do nothing about. It took me two years to get over columbine, I'm not sure I'm over 9/11.
I don't know about "reactive" prayer, in response to the world. I'm more into surrendering to the Spirit than reacting to the world. Easier said than done. (I can't count the times I've disconnected tv cable to get away from the news only to have it reconnected)
If our attention is on the world - and we are passing through like pilgrims - is our treasure there also?
Verne
Posted by Impermanence on September 5, 2004, at 21:06:16
In reply to Re: A Prayer for Peace, posted by verne on September 5, 2004, at 1:22:15
Don't fear my friends, for fear is the root of all negative emotion. What happened in Russia was something that had to happen, after 80,000+ murdered in Chechnya what did you think was going to happen? I'm pritty sure you heard sod all about the poor souls in Chechnya.. It's always the same... the west is blinded by whatever media the the western media takes an intrest in!! The fact that children where used in this evil game makes me sick, the fact that the world only takes notice after children had to be used makes me even more sick... This life is nothing but a flash in the pan, the dead don't suffer, maybe it's time all you interested people started taking "intrest" in the struggle "third class people" all over the world have to deal with every day!!! You could start with Sudan!!!! Let's fix things now. If you have legs and arms and money then get up off your arse and do something and stop watching t.v. and moaning when something nasty happens!!!
Posted by Jai Narayan on September 5, 2004, at 21:15:24
In reply to Re: A Prayer for Peace, posted by verne on September 5, 2004, at 1:22:15
My TV died. I have never been so happy.
I am meditating on a haphazard schedule.
I just really don't know the meaning of life or the spirit.
I do know I am taking the political scene in as little as I can.
I don't take any of the ugly violent scenes (columbine, 911 or Waco: Hiroshima, Negasaki, Viet Nam, Hutu vs Tutsi etc) very well. I guess my spirit has quite a difficult time with violence. I am a lover not a war maker. I want to embrace not shoot. this planet seems to be the teacher of saddness and loss.
I like to live with open arms.
I like being kind.
I love kindness in return.
I guess that is a lot to ask sometimes.
I give kindness freely.
Call me simple, call me whatever....but I do dearly like to love others.
It is the path of least resistance.
Posted by Impermanence on September 5, 2004, at 21:31:21
In reply to Verne good question, posted by Jai Narayan on September 5, 2004, at 21:15:24
In the heart of the enlightened there is nothing but love, to live with open arms is true strength. Love kindness in return is to love the ego, the ego is the root of all fear, fear is the root of all negative emotion. Giving kindness freely is our natural state, to be otherwise is to be blind. To love others is pure, to like to love others is ego.
Posted by verne on September 5, 2004, at 22:23:55
In reply to Re: Verne good question, posted by Impermanence on September 5, 2004, at 21:31:21
I'm confused, what's love, what's kindness, what's ego, and finally what's "pure"? And if I understand this right, you think I need to get involved in the Sudan to compensate for the Russian tragedy and media bias? And this cause is somehow more pure and has less ego?
As long as our attention is on the world (or in the world) our treasure is there also.
Verne
Posted by Jai Narayan on September 5, 2004, at 22:53:10
In reply to Re: Verne good question, posted by verne on September 5, 2004, at 22:23:55
Sorry my response got so skewed.
I just wanted to say....
love is good.
okay?
Can I get away with that?
My ego is not intact now.
Gosh good luck
verne.
Posted by verne on September 6, 2004, at 0:23:48
In reply to Gosh Verne it seems some judgement got invoved, posted by Jai Narayan on September 5, 2004, at 22:53:10
Jai,
I wasn't responding to your post. Guess I should have checked the previous poster box.
I had no problem with anything you said. See the post previous to mine. I wasn't in any way responding to your post. Sorry.
Verne
Posted by Jai Narayan on September 6, 2004, at 7:37:46
In reply to Re: Gosh Verne it seems some judgement got invoved, posted by verne on September 6, 2004, at 0:23:48
I was commiserating with you over Impermanence's post.
I bollixed it all up.
Sorry.
Posted by verne on September 6, 2004, at 9:59:46
In reply to Verne my comment was for Impermanence, posted by Jai Narayan on September 6, 2004, at 7:37:46
Jai,
I don't usually post on message boards this much. There's something inherently painful about it - maybe it's too exposing. It doesn't help that I have a tendency to reveal too much either.
I've been watching too much news and, already upset, ended up drinking to deal with my first and last dose of zoloft - which further agitated me. To make matters worse I recklessly ingested over 400 ground-up morning glory seeds just to see what would happen. Guess I should report my experience to the substance use board. I won't repeat that experiment. (Got wired and needed 15 beers to calm down and still feeling it this morning)
I wasn't happy with my cryptic post in response to Impermance. I think I was on my spiritual high horse and we know what happens to those who exalt themselves.
I feel like I going through the wreckage after the storm.
Verne
Posted by Jai Narayan on September 6, 2004, at 20:48:45
In reply to Re: Verne my comment was for Impermanence » Jai Narayan, posted by verne on September 6, 2004, at 9:59:46
***wow...wow...wow
Golly gee, gosh...> To make matters worse I recklessly ingested over 400 ground-up morning glory seeds just to see what would happen.
**okay, I have to know why you did this?
What did you read or hear about ingesting morning glory seeds?
I don't know if we should be on the alternative board, the health board....or what.
Your post is rather remarkable.
Well, I do hope you are feeling better.
You are very busy altering your perceptions.Sometimes I think that may be what my spiritual quest is about.
Changing my perceptions.
I look forward to our next chat.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2004, at 22:23:58
In reply to Re: A Prayer for Peace, posted by Impermanence on September 5, 2004, at 21:06:16
> It's always the same... the west is blinded by whatever media the the western media takes an intrest in!! ... get up off your arse and do something and stop watching t.v. and moaning when something nasty happens!!!
Please don't exaggerate or overgeneralize or post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. The last time you were blocked for 1 week, so this time it's for 2.
Sharing something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing oneself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by verne on September 6, 2004, at 23:43:08
In reply to Verne.....:-), posted by Jai Narayan on September 6, 2004, at 20:48:45
I elaborate on my experience with the morning glory seeds on the substance board.
Meanwhile I hope to get back on firmer spiritual ground as I regain my footing. I look forward to learning more about meditation (and maybe even meditate), reading good books, and sharing anything that will help us along the Way.
I really long for a quieter life. I'm hoping to have the tv cable removed when I get a little stronger. I have a Qi Gong course on video I've been meaning to try - that would be better than the news.
Verne
Posted by verne on September 9, 2004, at 0:20:22
In reply to Verne.....:-), posted by Jai Narayan on September 6, 2004, at 20:48:45
Jai,
I'm a wreck for now. Might post on the psych/therapy board in a few days (maybe a week) if you want to discuss borderline personality disorder.
Being in the middle of being a borderliner, I'm probably not very objective. We are terribly subjective while pretending to be objective with a certain charm.
The deciding factor is usually self-injury. This could take the form of "innocent" sort of stuff like body piercings, tattoos, shaving the head, pulling out hair yet usually it involves cutting.
I was a cutter. Lots of other ingredients into this. Abandoment as a child and later feelings of emptiness and boredom. Especially the emptiness - like noone is home. There's a lack of any sense of an individual. Not sociopathic or psychotic, just a lot of emotional pain.
There's a list of behaviors like overspending, sex addiction, substance abuse, suicide attempts & gestures, that go with this Dx.
well, that's the short tour.
Verne
Posted by Jai Narayan on September 9, 2004, at 9:31:39
In reply to Re: Verne.....:-) » Jai Narayan, posted by verne on September 9, 2004, at 0:20:22
*We probably need to be on the psychology board for this discussion.
Does it usually begin with abandoment as a child?>We are terribly subjective while pretending to be objective with a certain charm.
*how does that happen? can you give me an example?
If you're not up for this right now I can wait. I appreciate that you are open to my questions.
If we continue this could we move it to psychology?
Posted by verne on September 9, 2004, at 10:08:02
In reply to Re: Verne.....:-), posted by Jai Narayan on September 9, 2004, at 9:31:39
Jai,
Give me a few days to get back on my feet. I'm feeling overwhelmed right now. I'll post in psychology next time.
Verne
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