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Posted by greywolf on March 31, 2007, at 21:23:26
Here's a simple question:Do you get to heaven by faith alone or by faith AND good works?
Posted by Dinah on April 1, 2007, at 10:34:16
In reply to Salvation by faith alone?, posted by greywolf on March 31, 2007, at 21:23:26
My church teaches that salvation (whatever that may be) is by grace alone, and I tend to like that view.
I'm not quite sure how faith isn't a work. But maybe that's because it sure is work for me.
The beliefs differ widely by religions and denominations and I make no claims that my beliefs are correct, because I just don't know. I respect all beliefs, and can't see why my belief would be more likely to be correct than any other.
Posted by greywolf on April 1, 2007, at 20:05:29
In reply to Re: Salvation by faith alone? » greywolf, posted by Dinah on April 1, 2007, at 10:34:16
Dinah:
I guess the important point is what is meant by "faith alone." I know some people who believe that, basically, they just have to believe--that what they DO everyday doesn't really have any bearing on salvation. If that's what "faith alone" means, then it seems rather soulless to me.
On the other hand, if "faith alone" means you don't have an obligation to go out and intentionally perform good works, but you do implement the tenets of your faith in the course of your everyday interaction with others (love they neighbor; care for the least among us; that type of thing), that's more appealing from my personal perspective.
Because of my upbringing, I lean toward more of the affirmative good works point of view, and since I never live up to those standards, I am a pretty solid failure within my own faith.
Greywolf
Posted by Dinah on April 2, 2007, at 8:52:21
In reply to Re: Salvation by faith alone? » Dinah, posted by greywolf on April 1, 2007, at 20:05:29
You might wish to look into the Methodist concepts of Prevenient Grace, Justifying Grace, and Sanctifying Grace. Justifying Grace would correlate somewhat with faith, and Sanctifying Grace with works.
I'm not evangelizing or anything. I just found that the concepts involved helped me to organize faith/works/grace in my mind.
Amd of course the whole love your God and love your neighbor as yourself could be seen broadly to refer to faith and works. And then there's James' more direct statement.
My own personal theology says that the Lord God Almighty, maker of all things and knower of all things, can and will "save" whomever he pleases, for whatever reasons he pleases. And I trust him to do that better than any human concepts of salvation can encompass. And it's our job on earth to just do our best.
Which doesn't mean I don't enjoy discussing the theological points.
Again, these are my opinions only and to my knowledge not embraced by anyone else at all, and I'm not saying they're any more right or wrong than what anyone else believss.
Posted by greywolf on April 2, 2007, at 9:35:28
In reply to Re: Salvation by faith alone? » greywolf, posted by Dinah on April 2, 2007, at 8:52:21
Thanks, Dinah. You've got a nice outlook on the issue.When I get a chance, I'll take a look at the concepts you describe.
Greywolf
Posted by rayww on April 7, 2007, at 0:29:14
In reply to Salvation by faith alone?, posted by greywolf on March 31, 2007, at 21:23:26
>
> Here's a simple question:
>
> Do you get to heaven by faith alone or by faith AND good works?Faith, works, and grace. James 2:14-26
Posted by WorryGirl on May 11, 2007, at 16:13:54
In reply to Salvation by faith alone?, posted by greywolf on March 31, 2007, at 21:23:26
I was inspired by this discussion I once heard:
If all we had to do was "believe" in God, then even the devil would be in heaven for the devil believes.
By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ. All we have to do is accept that gift. In accepting it, we are telling God that we believe in Him. We show our thanks for this gift by the good deeds that we do. If we simply said, "Oh, OK, cool, Jesus died for me, now I can go do whatever I want, and still go to heaven." Doesn't sound so grateful, does it? If you receive such a priceless gift as this from someone who so obviously loves us, you would want to please them, right? By doing good works, you are saying, "Thank you", and also showing how much that gift means to you. In no way must you be perfect. God knows that here on this earth, until we are in heaven, we can't be. He knows what we are capable of, in our human capacity, and we have a responsibility to try to live up to our capabilities. When we see our shortcomings, we continue to ask for forgiveness and we are made perfect each time through His grace.
GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH GOD'S GRACE = FAITH + PROOF OF OUR FAITH AND GRATEFULNESS BY GOOD WORKS
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 22, 2007, at 6:38:28
In reply to Re: Salvation by faith alone?, posted by WorryGirl on May 11, 2007, at 16:13:54
> I was inspired by this discussion I once heard:
>
> If all we had to do was "believe" in God, then even the devil would be in heaven for the devil believes.
>
> By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ. All we have to do is accept that gift. In accepting it, we are telling God that we believe in Him. We show our thanks for this gift by the good deeds that we do. If we simply said, "Oh, OK, cool, Jesus died for me, now I can go do whatever I want, and still go to heaven." Doesn't sound so grateful, does it? If you receive such a priceless gift as this from someone who so obviously loves us, you would want to please them, right? By doing good works, you are saying, "Thank you", and also showing how much that gift means to you. In no way must you be perfect. God knows that here on this earth, until we are in heaven, we can't be. He knows what we are capable of, in our human capacity, and we have a responsibility to try to live up to our capabilities. When we see our shortcomings, we continue to ask for forgiveness and we are made perfect each time through His grace.
>
> GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH GOD'S GRACE = FAITH + PROOF OF OUR FAITH AND GRATEFULNESS BY GOOD WORKS
>
Friends,
It is written here,[...By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through...].
I am requesting to those that are considering to be discussants in this thread to consider the following:
A. Who could the {we} be in the statement?
B. What have been the historical uses of the statement above?
C. Is the statement a Christian bible verse?
D. What could {through} mean in the statement?
I am unsure as to what links I can post here and what other posts that I can site in this thread due to the new rules here when I rejoined the forum.
If you would like to know what links and posts that I would like to post here, you could email me if you like.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by I Worry Girl on May 26, 2007, at 18:00:40
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of WG's post-etb?, posted by Lou PIlder on May 22, 2007, at 6:38:28
I will e-mail you soon. BTW I was just sharing something that helped to inspire my faith. In no way do I believe that what works for me has to work for everyone else. But because it gives me inspiration I wanted to share.
> > I was inspired by this discussion I once heard:
> >
> > If all we had to do was "believe" in God, then even the devil would be in heaven for the devil believes.
> >
> > By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ. All we have to do is accept that gift. In accepting it, we are telling God that we believe in Him. We show our thanks for this gift by the good deeds that we do. If we simply said, "Oh, OK, cool, Jesus died for me, now I can go do whatever I want, and still go to heaven." Doesn't sound so grateful, does it? If you receive such a priceless gift as this from someone who so obviously loves us, you would want to please them, right? By doing good works, you are saying, "Thank you", and also showing how much that gift means to you. In no way must you be perfect. God knows that here on this earth, until we are in heaven, we can't be. He knows what we are capable of, in our human capacity, and we have a responsibility to try to live up to our capabilities. When we see our shortcomings, we continue to ask for forgiveness and we are made perfect each time through His grace.
> >
> > GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH GOD'S GRACE = FAITH + PROOF OF OUR FAITH AND GRATEFULNESS BY GOOD WORKS
> >
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through...].
> I am requesting to those that are considering to be discussants in this thread to consider the following:
> A. Who could the {we} be in the statement?
> B. What have been the historical uses of the statement above?
> C. Is the statement a Christian bible verse?
> D. What could {through} mean in the statement?
> I am unsure as to what links I can post here and what other posts that I can site in this thread due to the new rules here when I rejoined the forum.
> If you would like to know what links and posts that I would like to post here, you could email me if you like.
> Lou
> lpilder_1188@fuse.net
>
>A. All who have been created by God
B. In the Bible before and after Jesus was born. Also after Jesus descended and Christianity was established.
C. The statement above was construed from reading many verses in the Bible. Some of these verses are below
D. Through meaning "Because of..."
John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.”
6:47 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”
We are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. However, even before He was born human beings had the chance for salvation through God, the father of it all.
OLD TESTAMENT
DEUTERONOMY 30:19,20 “Today, I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! You can make this choice by loving the Lord your God, obeying Him, and committing yourself firmly to Him. This is the key to your life. And if you love and obey the Lord, you will live long in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
PSALM 62:1-2 Truly my soul silently waits for God; from Him comes my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; He is my defense; I shall not be greatly moved.
ISAIAH
1:18 “Come now, let’s settle this,” says the Lord. “Though your sins are like scarlet, I will make them as white as snow. Though they are red like crimson, I will make them as white as wool.”
44:22 “I have blotted out, like a thick cloud, your transgressions, and like a cloud, your sins. Return to Me, for I have redeemed you.
Jesus' dying for us has simply made our salvation even easier. Now we no longer have to rely on the Laws, sacraments, etc. for salvation like they did in the Old Testament.New Testament
MATTHEW
7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of My Father in heaven will enter.”
ACTS 10:34 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation He accepts those who fear Him and do what is right. This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel – that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.”
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
James 2:14-22 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe – and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 27, 2007, at 12:41:42
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of WG's post-etb? » Lou PIlder, posted by I Worry Girl on May 26, 2007, at 18:00:40
> I will e-mail you soon. BTW I was just sharing something that helped to inspire my faith. In no way do I believe that what works for me has to work for everyone else. But because it gives me inspiration I wanted to share.
>
>
> > > I was inspired by this discussion I once heard:
> > >
> > > If all we had to do was "believe" in God, then even the devil would be in heaven for the devil believes.
> > >
> > > By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ. All we have to do is accept that gift. In accepting it, we are telling God that we believe in Him. We show our thanks for this gift by the good deeds that we do. If we simply said, "Oh, OK, cool, Jesus died for me, now I can go do whatever I want, and still go to heaven." Doesn't sound so grateful, does it? If you receive such a priceless gift as this from someone who so obviously loves us, you would want to please them, right? By doing good works, you are saying, "Thank you", and also showing how much that gift means to you. In no way must you be perfect. God knows that here on this earth, until we are in heaven, we can't be. He knows what we are capable of, in our human capacity, and we have a responsibility to try to live up to our capabilities. When we see our shortcomings, we continue to ask for forgiveness and we are made perfect each time through His grace.
> > >
> > > GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH GOD'S GRACE = FAITH + PROOF OF OUR FAITH AND GRATEFULNESS BY GOOD WORKS
> > >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through...].
> > I am requesting to those that are considering to be discussants in this thread to consider the following:
> > A. Who could the {we} be in the statement?
> > B. What have been the historical uses of the statement above?
> > C. Is the statement a Christian bible verse?
> > D. What could {through} mean in the statement?
> > I am unsure as to what links I can post here and what other posts that I can site in this thread due to the new rules here when I rejoined the forum.
> > If you would like to know what links and posts that I would like to post here, you could email me if you like.
> > Lou
> > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> >
> >
>
> A. All who have been created by God
> B. In the Bible before and after Jesus was born. Also after Jesus descended and Christianity was established.
> C. The statement above was construed from reading many verses in the Bible. Some of these verses are below
> D. Through meaning "Because of..."
> John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
> 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.”
> 6:47 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”
>
>
> We are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. However, even before He was born human beings had the chance for salvation through God, the father of it all.
> OLD TESTAMENT
> DEUTERONOMY 30:19,20 “Today, I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! You can make this choice by loving the Lord your God, obeying Him, and committing yourself firmly to Him. This is the key to your life. And if you love and obey the Lord, you will live long in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
> PSALM 62:1-2 Truly my soul silently waits for God; from Him comes my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; He is my defense; I shall not be greatly moved.
> ISAIAH
> 1:18 “Come now, let’s settle this,” says the Lord. “Though your sins are like scarlet, I will make them as white as snow. Though they are red like crimson, I will make them as white as wool.”
> 44:22 “I have blotted out, like a thick cloud, your transgressions, and like a cloud, your sins. Return to Me, for I have redeemed you.
> Jesus' dying for us has simply made our salvation even easier. Now we no longer have to rely on the Laws, sacraments, etc. for salvation like they did in the Old Testament.
>
> New Testament
> MATTHEW
> 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of My Father in heaven will enter.”
> ACTS 10:34 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation He accepts those who fear Him and do what is right. This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel – that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.”
> Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
> James 2:14-22 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe – and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
>I WG,
You wrote,[...(redacted by respondent)..the >will< of {My Father}..(redacted by respondent)...]
Could you clarify what that will is? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 27, 2007, at 12:50:56
In reply to Lou's requestto I WG for clarification-wilofmyfath » I Worry Girl, posted by Lou PIlder on May 27, 2007, at 12:41:42
> > I will e-mail you soon. BTW I was just sharing something that helped to inspire my faith. In no way do I believe that what works for me has to work for everyone else. But because it gives me inspiration I wanted to share.
> >
> >
> > > > I was inspired by this discussion I once heard:
> > > >
> > > > If all we had to do was "believe" in God, then even the devil would be in heaven for the devil believes.
> > > >
> > > > By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ. All we have to do is accept that gift. In accepting it, we are telling God that we believe in Him. We show our thanks for this gift by the good deeds that we do. If we simply said, "Oh, OK, cool, Jesus died for me, now I can go do whatever I want, and still go to heaven." Doesn't sound so grateful, does it? If you receive such a priceless gift as this from someone who so obviously loves us, you would want to please them, right? By doing good works, you are saying, "Thank you", and also showing how much that gift means to you. In no way must you be perfect. God knows that here on this earth, until we are in heaven, we can't be. He knows what we are capable of, in our human capacity, and we have a responsibility to try to live up to our capabilities. When we see our shortcomings, we continue to ask for forgiveness and we are made perfect each time through His grace.
> > > >
> > > > GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH GOD'S GRACE = FAITH + PROOF OF OUR FAITH AND GRATEFULNESS BY GOOD WORKS
> > > >
> > > Friends,
> > > It is written here,[...By grace, we have received the gift of eternal life through...].
> > > I am requesting to those that are considering to be discussants in this thread to consider the following:
> > > A. Who could the {we} be in the statement?
> > > B. What have been the historical uses of the statement above?
> > > C. Is the statement a Christian bible verse?
> > > D. What could {through} mean in the statement?
> > > I am unsure as to what links I can post here and what other posts that I can site in this thread due to the new rules here when I rejoined the forum.
> > > If you would like to know what links and posts that I would like to post here, you could email me if you like.
> > > Lou
> > > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> > >
> > >
> >
> > A. All who have been created by God
> > B. In the Bible before and after Jesus was born. Also after Jesus descended and Christianity was established.
> > C. The statement above was construed from reading many verses in the Bible. Some of these verses are below
> > D. Through meaning "Because of..."
> > John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
> > 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.”
> > 6:47 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.”
> >
> >
> > We are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. However, even before He was born human beings had the chance for salvation through God, the father of it all.
> > OLD TESTAMENT
> > DEUTERONOMY 30:19,20 “Today, I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! You can make this choice by loving the Lord your God, obeying Him, and committing yourself firmly to Him. This is the key to your life. And if you love and obey the Lord, you will live long in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
> > PSALM 62:1-2 Truly my soul silently waits for God; from Him comes my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation; He is my defense; I shall not be greatly moved.
> > ISAIAH
> > 1:18 “Come now, let’s settle this,” says the Lord. “Though your sins are like scarlet, I will make them as white as snow. Though they are red like crimson, I will make them as white as wool.”
> > 44:22 “I have blotted out, like a thick cloud, your transgressions, and like a cloud, your sins. Return to Me, for I have redeemed you.
> > Jesus' dying for us has simply made our salvation even easier. Now we no longer have to rely on the Laws, sacraments, etc. for salvation like they did in the Old Testament.
> >
> > New Testament
> > MATTHEW
> > 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of My Father in heaven will enter.”
> > ACTS 10:34 Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. In every nation He accepts those who fear Him and do what is right. This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel – that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.”
> > Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
> > James 2:14-22 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe – and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
> >
>
> I WG,
> You wrote,[...(redacted by respondent)..the >will< of {My Father}..(redacted by respondent)...]
> Could you clarify what that will is? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> LouI WG,
In your writing here the bible quotes, are the quotes from a particular version of the bible? If so, which version?
Lou
Posted by I Worry Girl on May 27, 2007, at 19:50:25
In reply to Lou's request for clarification-wilofmyfath-B » Lou PIlder, posted by Lou PIlder on May 27, 2007, at 12:50:56
How I personally have interpreted "the will of my Father" has come from other verses in the Bible. I interpret "God's will" to mean what God desires for us. And it seems that He wants for us to live forever. One of the verses I have already mentioned in the Old Testament is:
Deuteronomy 30:19,20 “Today, I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! You can make this choice by loving the Lord your God, obeying Him, and committing yourself firmly to Him. This is the key to your life. And if you love and obey the Lord, you will live long in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
Some more verses:
Proverbs 8:35 For whoever finds Me finds life and receives favor from the Lord.
11:23 The godly can look forward to a reward, while the wicked can expect only judgment.
14:22 If you plan to do evil, you will be lost; if you plan to do good, you will receive unfailing love and faithfulness.
John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.”
2 Timothy 3:15-17 You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip His people to do every good work.
Psalm 53:2 God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; He looks to see if anyone is truly wise, if anyone seeks God.
Isaiah 30:18 So the Lord must wait for you to come to Him so He can show you His love and compassion. For the Lord is a faithful God. Blessed are those who wait for His help.Most of these verses are from the New Living Translation. I have a file filled with verses that help when I have questions.
Posted by Lou PIlder on May 27, 2007, at 22:22:39
In reply to Re: Lou's request for clarification-wilofmyfath-B » Lou PIlder, posted by I Worry Girl on May 27, 2007, at 19:50:25
> How I personally have interpreted "the will of my Father" has come from other verses in the Bible. I interpret "God's will" to mean what God desires for us. And it seems that He wants for us to live forever. One of the verses I have already mentioned in the Old Testament is:
>
> Deuteronomy 30:19,20 “Today, I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live! You can make this choice by loving the Lord your God, obeying Him, and committing yourself firmly to Him. This is the key to your life. And if you love and obey the Lord, you will live long in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
>
> Some more verses:
> Proverbs 8:35 For whoever finds Me finds life and receives favor from the Lord.
> 11:23 The godly can look forward to a reward, while the wicked can expect only judgment.
> 14:22 If you plan to do evil, you will be lost; if you plan to do good, you will receive unfailing love and faithfulness.
> John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.”
> 2 Timothy 3:15-17 You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip His people to do every good work.
> Psalm 53:2 God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; He looks to see if anyone is truly wise, if anyone seeks God.
> Isaiah 30:18 So the Lord must wait for you to come to Him so He can show you His love and compassion. For the Lord is a faithful God. Blessed are those who wait for His help.
>
> Most of these verses are from the New Living Translation. I have a file filled with verses that help when I have questions.I WG,
In reading your reply to me here, I am unsure if you are meaning that [...*doing* the will of My Father...] is equivalent to {God's will} in this discussion. When I am sure as to what you mean, then I can post a response here with that in mind.
Looking then at your writing the bible verse, 2 Tim 3:15-17, there is the use of[... salvation that comes by (doing)...].You have written that your interpretation{the will of My Father}, which could be that God wants all humanity to live forever, {which could be meant to be salvation}, comes from bible verses.
If [...*doing* the will of My Father...] is connected somehow with [...salvation that comes by {doing)...], could you clarify if then God's will is that people *do* what this verse in 2 Tim says to do? If I have an understanding of if that is what you mean or not, then I could respond accordingly
Lou
Posted by rina on August 18, 2007, at 17:27:13
In reply to Re: Salvation by faith alone?, posted by WorryGirl on May 11, 2007, at 16:13:54
You go girl! I couldn't have said it better if I tried. God Bless You!
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 18, 2007, at 21:18:56
In reply to Re: Salvation by faith alone?, posted by rina on August 18, 2007, at 17:27:13
> You go girl! I couldn't have said it better if I tried. God Bless You!
rina,
You wrote,[...I couldn;t have said it better...]
Let us look at a statement in the link that you responded to:
[...by grace we have received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ...].
Could you clarify what your thinking is concerning the following? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What people make up the "we" ?
B. What is meant by "through" (Jesus Christ)
C. Is the statement a bible verse?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 18, 2007, at 21:35:27
In reply to Lou's request to rina for clarification-cudntbetr » rina, posted by Lou Pilder on August 18, 2007, at 21:18:56
> > You go girl! I couldn't have said it better if I tried. God Bless You!
>
> rina,
> You wrote,[...I couldn;t have said it better...]
> Let us look at a statement in the link that you responded to:
> [...by grace we have received the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ...].
> Could you clarify what your thinking is concerning the following? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What people make up the "we" ?
> B. What is meant by "through" (Jesus Christ)
> C. Is the statement a bible verse?
> Lourina,
Another poster replied to the same request from me for clairification. I was wondering if you had the same or different opinions.
Lou
Posted by rina on August 18, 2007, at 22:36:56
In reply to Lou's request to rina for clarification-continued, posted by Lou Pilder on August 18, 2007, at 21:35:27
Lou,
I believe in God and the gift of life through his Son Jesus Christ. I agree wholeheartedly with the scriptures posted from the Bible given by WorryGirl and that's why I responded the way I did. Sometimes when we try and disect scripture word for word, we miss the point and the blessing of it's meaning. Have a wonderful evening.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2007, at 21:50:45
In reply to Re: Lou's request to rina for clarification-continued, posted by rina on August 18, 2007, at 22:36:56
> Lou,
>
> I believe in God and the gift of life through his Son Jesus Christ. I agree wholeheartedly with the scriptures posted from the Bible given by WorryGirl and that's why I responded the way I did. Sometimes when we try and disect scripture word for word, we miss the point and the blessing of it's meaning. Have a wonderful evening.rina,
You wrote,[...I..agree with the scriptures...Sometimes when we try to dis(s)ect...{we} {miss the point} and the blessing of it's meaning...wonderful evening...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean. Could you clarify if you are wanting to mean that the {we} are those that {miss the point} that read the dissected scripture or the one that dissects the scripture misses the point or something else? If you could then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by rina on August 22, 2007, at 14:04:18
In reply to Lou's reply to rina-companat » rina, posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2007, at 21:50:45
Lou, I think were getting into quite a bit of missunderstanding of faith and it's works and the Bible and how it's interpreted as well as how one chooses to accept and believe. I want to clarify that, by no means do I judge or dictate what you may believe or not believe. That's why I think it might be best if you contact your Pastor or church counselor where you worship, that way he/she could give you a better defined and more comforting knowledge of the questions you might have.
God Bless you and have a wonderful week!
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 22, 2007, at 15:34:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to rina-companat, posted by rina on August 22, 2007, at 14:04:18
> Lou, I think were getting into quite a bit of missunderstanding of faith and it's works and the Bible and how it's interpreted as well as how one chooses to accept and believe. I want to clarify that, by no means do I judge or dictate what you may believe or not believe. That's why I think it might be best if you contact your Pastor or church counselor where you worship, that way he/she could give you a better defined and more comforting knowledge of the questions you might have.
>
> God Bless you and have a wonderful week!rina,
You wrote,[...by no means do I judge or dictate what you may believe or not believe...misunderstanding of {faith } and {it's works}...(someone else) could give you a better defined..{comforting knowlege}..the questions that you have...wonderful week!...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean in your reply to me.
I would like to respond to what you have posted here. I think that reasonable people can and do have misunderstandings and if there is a misunderstanding, that misunderstandings can be cleared up.
As far as ,[...by no means do I judge or dictate what you believe or not...],I am unsure as to if I could post a response to that here because of Dr. Hsiung's rule to me about me posting that my god has revealed {to me} a commandment {that I} XXX(the foundation of Judaism). Anyone could email me if they like to see what I would like to post.
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Lou
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