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Posted by karen_kay on July 18, 2004, at 9:50:06
In reply to Re: Question for all?, posted by fires on July 17, 2004, at 22:34:51
fires,
so, if one is a hypochondriac, does that mean that they never have health problems?why don't you pick on me for a while? i assure you, i don't mind it and it won't hurt me at all.
and you won't have to look very hard at all either. i'm anything but consistent...
so, if you are looking for inconsistency, i assure you, i'm your gal! and i really don't mind either!
have at it!
Posted by ghost on July 18, 2004, at 10:46:47
In reply to Re: Question for all?, posted by fires on July 17, 2004, at 22:34:51
Merriam Webster's defines hypochondria as the following: extreme depression of mind or spirits often centered on imaginary physical ailments.
JenStar says they found physical (that means non-imaginary) evidence for an ailment.
So basically, you just called her a liar.
Nice. *Real* nice.
Posted by 64bowtie on July 18, 2004, at 11:14:32
In reply to Re: Question for all? » fires, posted by karen_kay on July 18, 2004, at 9:50:06
KK,
> so, if one is a hypochondriac, does that mean that they never have health problems?
>(Here I go getting-cerebral again.....)
Of the nine senses, the vagus nerve is reponsible for collecting the "wellness" stuff, and providing a moment by moment snapshot of our....... wellness.
If we view sickness as an event, we deny illness and sickness as part of life as a whole; a process not an event. Children attach expectations to an event; they don't relate to process.
As adults, [if] we keep the habits of obligations and expectations, we perform ever worser and worser, the older we get. However, if between the ages of 15 and 25, we gently and appropriately move into habits of plans, goals, and personal contracts, giving up our childhood obligations (from us) and expectations (to us). We stop seeing sickeness, elation, tiredness, being drunk or loaded, or being angry, as important events. Instead, they are all part of the process.
We can begin a new habit of wearing our adulthood as a "nice-fitting suit". Hypochondria will stop ruling our awareness, and we will start getting sick and well just like everybody else.
I'm not taking any thing away. I am adding to our "war-chest" of talents and attributes. Be curious. See how it fits.
Rod
Posted by 64bowtie on July 18, 2004, at 11:26:10
In reply to Re: Question for all? » fires, posted by ghost on July 18, 2004, at 10:46:47
Ghost,
> So basically, you just called her a liar.
>
> Nice. *Real* nice.
>
<<<hypo = low, chondria = welness-image... This implies attitude... Isn't attitude sourced in opinion? Can't Jenstar have an opinion, fires have an opinion, you have an opinion, and I have an opinion, with-out any of us rolling out our bad-habit of getting hostile about any difference we might see? (only a question..... somewhat rhetorical, even)Rod
Posted by JenStar on July 18, 2004, at 11:35:50
In reply to Re: Question for all?, posted by fires on July 17, 2004, at 22:34:51
oh, good question! In addition to having some "real" issues (that were misdiagnosed), I also -- all my life -- have suffered from 'imaginary illnesses.' It started as a child when I saw things on channel 11 (Chicago) about surgeries & illnesses & was SURE I had them. I would cry and cry and my mom couldn't comfort me. Later on, as I got older, I "got" cancer multiple times (not really, of course - just thought I had it), had a bone disease, and lately thought I had MS/ALS.
Usually, though, I can tell when I have something "really" wrong, and it frustrates me when a doc doesn't listen.
Anyway, thank yOU for listening!
JenStar
Posted by 64bowtie on July 18, 2004, at 13:15:49
In reply to Re: Question for all?, posted by JenStar on July 18, 2004, at 11:35:50
Posted by partlycloudy on July 18, 2004, at 13:34:39
In reply to Re: Question for all? ya'mean WTTW??? (nm) » JenStar, posted by 64bowtie on July 18, 2004, at 13:15:49
Posted by 64bowtie on July 18, 2004, at 13:44:42
In reply to WTTW please translate this acronym (nm) » 64bowtie, posted by partlycloudy on July 18, 2004, at 13:34:39
jus' bein' a smart alec....
JenStar said she saw something on channel 11 (chicago)land
Rod
Posted by partlycloudy on July 18, 2004, at 13:50:35
In reply to WTTW please translate - Channel 11 PBS ChiCity » partlycloudy, posted by 64bowtie on July 18, 2004, at 13:44:42
I googled this forever - thanks for 'splaining.
Posted by B2chica on July 18, 2004, at 14:53:45
In reply to Re: Re: Question for all? -- try this » karen_kay, posted by 64bowtie on July 18, 2004, at 11:14:32
>>(Here I go getting-cerebral again.....)
>>Of the nine senses, the vagus nerve is reponsible for collecting the "wellness" stuff, and providing a moment by moment snapshot of our....... wellness.refresh me, is the vagus the 7th or the 10th CN?
...wait, the 7th is the auditory right???
-yes i realize this is not jepardy and probably noone else in a "right-mind" (whatever that is) cares...but when i got a question i's got's to get it answered!
b2c.
Posted by terrics on July 18, 2004, at 16:14:47
In reply to Question for all?, posted by JenStar on July 16, 2004, at 18:00:58
To me this is my therapeutic home. Therapy hurts. Babble heals or at least gives support. Almost everyone is kind, caring, and intelligent. It is a good place to be. terrics
Posted by terrics on July 18, 2004, at 16:24:45
In reply to Re: Question for all? » fires, posted by karen_kay on July 18, 2004, at 9:50:06
you can post to me if you want. Karen does not have to be alone....terrics
Posted by cubic_me on July 18, 2004, at 17:23:37
In reply to Re: Re: Question for all? ...CN? » 64bowtie, posted by B2chica on July 18, 2004, at 14:53:45
>
> refresh me, is the vagus the 7th or the 10th CN?Yes, it's the 10th CN, though I'm not sure about the theory of it being responsible for wellness -surely there is alot more to it than that. I've been taught that it mainly serves as a symathetic regulator of autonomic responses, but know little of its sensory functions. Any ideas?
Posted by Joslynn on July 18, 2004, at 20:13:18
In reply to Question for all?, posted by JenStar on July 16, 2004, at 18:00:58
I don't post much on PB, but I do lurk a lot, just to read up on things and see if I can relate. I don't talk about PB to other people. I kind of like that there is a place where no one knows my face or name (the opposite of the Cheers theme song).
However, I do talk about therapy and depression issues with other real-life friends who have been depressed and in therapy. I just don't discuss this board. They are not that cyber-savvy so I just don't think they would get it.
I don't tell my pdoc or my therp because I don't want them to go on and try to reconize me, not that I think they even would have time for that. I like to have a place where I can talk about them! I bet they have groups etc where they talk about their clients so we need something too.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2004, at 20:35:46
In reply to Re: Re: Question for all? ...CN?, posted by cubic_me on July 18, 2004, at 17:23:37
The vagus nerve is both sensory and motor. The sensory function is to transmit sensory information from the organs in the chest and abdomen, from our internal blood pressure monitors (carotid sinus), and the measures of oxygen and other elements in the blood gasses. In addition, it carries taste sensations from the back of the tongue and pharynx. Last, it lets the brain know of the position in space of the throat and voice box.
Or so one of the multitudes of textbooks I cannot seem to pitch says.
Regards,
gg
Posted by shadows721 on July 18, 2004, at 20:57:18
In reply to Question for all?, posted by JenStar on July 16, 2004, at 18:00:58
I post here a good bit and I keep what's on here to myself. I don't share it with no one. I feel that this place is like a support group similiar to the rule of AA. What's here - Stay's here. I don't share what goes on with my therapy with my family and that's how I feel about this forum.
I feel this place is safe to a degree. I feel that since it is very public and anyone can jump in and leave as they please. I do have to be on guard just as I would with any group meeting. The current group that I belong to outside of therapy is also public. Occasionally, we have people come in and just blast us and leave. I feel the same can and does happen here.
Posted by 64bowtie on July 19, 2004, at 2:47:32
In reply to Re: Re: Question for all? ...CN? » 64bowtie, posted by B2chica on July 18, 2004, at 14:53:45
B2c,
I don't know a cardinal or ordinal arrangement of senses... I, however, have written and "shopped" a short magazine article, "the Concert of The Senses"... My position is that no one sense is enough by itself... In fact, as I diagram in my article, a baseball pitcher must use a sharing of most of his (or her) senses to get the ball across home plate the way he wants, to do his job... Propriaceptor, "muscle memory", our kinescetic sense, I am in awe of... The human body becomes magnificent with the practiced abilities available to us via our "muscle memory" sense...
I must state that vision, our visual cortex, is a spectacular property able to provide nearly any improvement to our daily lives... Vision is the only sense that operates in the forground and background (multi-task) in the here and now... I call the background-awareness function of vision as the "mind's-eye"... A therapist apparently don't need to place clients into a trance via hypnosis to do most of their work, once they can accept that clients can function effectively at more than one level, simultaneously... I'm not saying hypnosis is bad or good... I'm saying that sickness doesn't have to cause the client to be so distracted to be unmanageable, that hypnosis is the only way to make progress... I am suspicious that the seemingly magical nature of hypnosis has such strong allure for the new therapist, that they can't resist trying it...
I maintain that we have all the tools in our beings to find our way all the way to wellness; whole being wellness, not just physical wellness... Life Coaching by the properly trained and mature practitioner is another source of guidance that produces effective results... The mental health industry is pushing for legislation in several states nartionwide to criminalize life-coaches not certified by mental health industry standards... A reminder, before Freud et al, philosophical practitioners were keeping people functional; for 3,000 years or so...
Toodles......
Rod
PS: 64Bowtie is my username derived from 1964 Chevrolet Pick-Up, refering to my "hobby project" vehicle... Anything Chevy is nicknamed "bowtie" from the Chevy emblem... I made a mistake with my first username, and my second username was toooo wierd; ergo 64Bowtie...
Posted by 64bowtie on July 19, 2004, at 2:51:03
In reply to Re: Re: Question for all? ...CN? » cubic_me, posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2004, at 20:35:46
GG,
I appreciate your attention to this info... I am trying to share without toooo much "jargonese"... How am I doing?
Rod
Posted by 64bowtie on July 19, 2004, at 2:57:55
In reply to Re: Question for all?, posted by shadows721 on July 18, 2004, at 20:57:18
Shadow,
A few hundred OA, Alanon, and ACA meetings later and today I'm a miracle......
Rod
Posted by Dinah on July 19, 2004, at 7:46:09
In reply to Mo better info... » B2chica, posted by 64bowtie on July 19, 2004, at 2:47:32
Are you saying that everyone is a candidate for life coaching by unlicensed coaches rather than therapy by trained and licensed therapists?
It seems awfully risky to me. We get in enough trouble with the people who *are* trained and licensed.
What would a life coach do with a client who had a psychotic break during "coaching"?
I guess as long as the life coaches had plenty of malpractice insurance... No, maybe not. Because that wouldn't really compensate for the damage involved.
Perhaps I misunderstood you. I certainly think life coaching has its place. It may even be all that many people need, including many who are now in therapy. But I was rather hoping that life coaches had sufficient knowledge of mental health issues to know when they were in over their head and a client really should be seen by someone with extensive training in mental health problems.
But if life coaches aren't confining their practices to, well, life coaching, and instead are practicing therapy - how is that different than practicing therapy without a license? Do you consider practicing therapy without a license to be a good thing? Putting people with a fair amount of power over others outside any regulation whatsoever?
Posted by TexasChic on July 19, 2004, at 8:39:41
In reply to Question for all?, posted by JenStar on July 16, 2004, at 18:00:58
I share much more on Babble than I do irl. I think regardless of our dx, the people here feel sympathetic and kind of a bond to each other. For instance, someone that's bipolar would be much more understanding about my depression or OCD than someone who had no such illness. And since its online, we can have as much personal space as we need. Good question Jen.
T
Posted by karen_kay on July 19, 2004, at 11:18:54
In reply to Re: Question for all? » fires, posted by karen_kay on July 18, 2004, at 9:50:06
and could i grow up for a moment? i'm young. and i'm sorry. i think once emmy made a post about starting over.
i'm kk and it's nice to meet you. if you're leaving, i understand. i think soemtimes we forget that this is psychobabble and we all do have our own unique set of issues. and i'm sorry if you feel that you've been 'run out'. i'm also very sorry if you feel that i'm one of the town's folks who did that.
take care fires. and do feel free to challenge me anytime. honestly!
kk
Posted by AuntieMel on July 19, 2004, at 14:13:06
In reply to fires, could i change my mind?, posted by karen_kay on July 19, 2004, at 11:18:54
I thrive on debate (usually)
There are days that it's beyond me.
I also notice that lots of folks here have days where it may be beyond them, too.
But - I much prefer debating concepts than facts. Debating facts boils down to who knows google better.
Posted by Jai Narayan on July 19, 2004, at 22:29:50
In reply to Re: Question for all? » fires, posted by karen_kay on July 18, 2004, at 9:50:06
Oh Gosh, fires you sound so hurt.....
What has hurt you so much?
I personally don't believe in psychosomatic illness....
I think if you feel sick you may well be ill.
I may be wrong but I am an empath and tend to believe people know what may be happening inside of themselves.
You sound so unhappy...I am concerned.
Posted by 64bowtie on July 20, 2004, at 0:49:34
In reply to Re: Mo better info... » 64bowtie, posted by Dinah on July 19, 2004, at 7:46:09
(((Dinah))),
>Are you saying that everyone is a candidate for life coaching…
<<< [Everyone] might be a little overstated, so I say no.>…by unlicensed coaches rather than therapy by trained and licensed therapists?
<<<You left off “fully trained and certified” as far as coaches are qualified is absolutely essential...>It seems awfully risky to me. We get in enough trouble with the people who *are* trained and licensed.
>What would a life coach do with a client who had a psychotic break during "coaching"?
<<< Fully “trained and certified” involves training for effective screening of new clients. For instance, I have devised questions that I use flush out affective disorders etc. Even when unsure, training encourages suggesting the client spend some time in therapy first before working on recovery issues via life coaching. I wouldn’t feel comfortable without seeing the therapist’s evaluation upon the client’s release before entering into a client-coach contract, really! Remember, I only focus on bad habits. I don’t guarantee that I can remove the pain and the voices. I do guarantee that if the client stays on track, they will do it themselves, eventually. If they are so affected as not to sense the importance of habits, they are not ready for life-coaching.>I guess as long as the life coaches had plenty of malpractice insurance... No, maybe not. Because that wouldn't really compensate for the damage involved.
>Perhaps I misunderstood you. I certainly think life coaching has its place. It may even be all that many people need, including many who are now in therapy. But I was rather hoping that life coaches had sufficient knowledge of mental health issues to know when they were in over their head and a client really should be seen by someone with extensive training in mental health problems.
>But if life coaches aren't confining their practices to, well, life coaching, and instead are practicing therapy - how is that different than practicing therapy without a license? Do you consider practicing therapy without a license to be a good thing? Putting people with a fair amount of power over others outside any regulation whatsoever?<<< I hope I have made it clear. I am always available as dr10day-lifecoach@yahoo.com.
Rod
PS: Its arrogant for the mental-health-industry to think help is “one-size-fits-all” or else. Life-Coaching has been around for about 3,000 years. Psychotherapy has been around for 125 years. Most clients would rather get help from their pastor than enter into therapy for 15 to 20 $150 appointments, complete with access to “meds” and delving into unresolved childhood issues, ...and with no resolution in sight. We know pastors aren’t licensed, trained, or certified. Also, their motives are questionable and results are random. Where’s the surety in that? I trust you, (((Dinah))). I trust that if you wanted to become a therapist, I would happily send you clients.
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