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Posted by TherapyGirl on May 28, 2008, at 19:53:05
I picked up a copy of my surgical report last week when I went in for my post-op. There were adhesions found that are usually caused by previous abdominal surgeries (I haven't had any), infections (none that I know of) or physical/sexual abuse. I don't know why, but seeing that in writing completely freaks me out. Maybe because it's the first time I've had "corroboration" that what I say happened did happen? Maybe because the question of possible sexual abuse is still out there? Definitely partly because I am stunned that they found anything like that. I'm just freaked.
Posted by Lucie Lu on May 28, 2008, at 20:24:17
In reply to Surgical report ***Trigger***, posted by TherapyGirl on May 28, 2008, at 19:53:05
Therapy Girl, it must have been a terrible shock to have your suspicions apparently confirmed in that way. I'm so sorry and wish you a good recovery both from your surgery and your trauma history. I had noticed from your posts a couple of months ago that we share a few things - 22 yrs marriage, teenagers, issues with our T's. Did yours work out OK? -LL
Posted by muffled on May 28, 2008, at 23:07:46
In reply to Surgical report ***Trigger***, posted by TherapyGirl on May 28, 2008, at 19:53:05
TG, you are the same person you were beforwe you read the file.
I dunno, but right now I operate on FACTS. I don't beleive whats inside of me unless its facts.
So proly you know wassup, or kinda have an idea.
But even if you never know, well, you still goto heal if you struggling.
So I dealing day to day.
I guess I just babbling away cuz i wished I had magic words for you, but I don't, cuz I dunno either. To be honest it would freak the hell outta me too. But the horrible feelings do eventually pass, and things can get better.
Wassup w/you and T's? You still got your T? Sorry I so dense, but I got a real bad memory.
Hope your feeling some better.
I be thinking bout you and hoping you can come to terms with this stuff soon.
Sorry if I say something real dumb, I mean well, dunno where my head is at these days.
(((((((((((((((((((TG)))))))))))))))))))))))))
Posted by Daisym on May 28, 2008, at 23:29:42
In reply to Surgical report ***Trigger***, posted by TherapyGirl on May 28, 2008, at 19:53:05
I can imagine what a shock that must have been. I would have felt somewhat invaded too - kind of like being "outed" against my own wishes or publicly.
I think that no matter how much work we do on these issues, there is a tiny part of us that wishes and wishes that it was all a bad dream, that we are wrong, that none of it ever happened. (And yes, this sits along side the part that is terrified that no one will EVER believe her.) Evidence is a double-edge sword.
I hope you have support to help you recover from the surgery and you can be gentle with yourself for a while. These wounds hurt so much when they get opened again.
Posted by myrtledog on May 29, 2008, at 1:26:47
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger***, posted by Daisym on May 28, 2008, at 23:29:42
I don't want to say too much, but i can SO understand why you need your T at this time. My T would say, 'remember, it's in the past, you've survived it'.
((((TherapyGirl))))
Posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2008, at 13:17:57
In reply to Surgical report ***Trigger***, posted by TherapyGirl on May 28, 2008, at 19:53:05
Theraphy Girl adhesions yes are usually caused by previous surgeries where scar tissue forms around other organs. You didn't have a hysterectomy or tubal pregnancy that you know of or tubal ligation as they can cause them. I guess it depends what kind of surgery you had and what organs were affected how high up for sexual abuse? Now I don't know you're history so forgive me my errors please. Know you're going through a very rough time right now. If I can help let me know . Did you ask the surgeon what he thinks caused them? Apologies in advance for asking questions that may have the potential to hurt you emotionally. Phillipa
Posted by B2chica on May 29, 2008, at 13:31:47
In reply to Surgical report ***Trigger***, posted by TherapyGirl on May 28, 2008, at 19:53:05
your post really made me think of something TG...i'm checking on it.
it was triggering...but this might be
...a good trigger (if such a thing), a releasing trigger if my doctor can give me information to support my theory. a bad one if they can't.
but anxiety until they call me back.thank you for sharing this either way. thankyou.
i will post more if i hear back from my doctor.
b2c.
Posted by B2chica on May 29, 2008, at 14:41:44
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger*** » TherapyGirl, posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2008, at 13:17:57
Phillipa i babble mailed you but i think it's better that this discussion is open. i trust this site.
is it possible that adheasions in the abdomen can be caused by repeated physical abuse?
outside or even inside the uterus.
b2c
Posted by B2chica on May 29, 2008, at 14:58:15
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger*** » Phillipa, posted by B2chica on May 29, 2008, at 14:41:44
ok, i just heard back from my OB nurse.
she checked with my doctor and in my particular case the tons of scar tissue they found it was "doubtful" that it was caused by the physical abuse.
....
....
is this good or bad?
i know this sounds sick but i almost wished she would have said yes that it was, so i can prove how much he hurt me.but the nurse i spoke with said that its not just my case that it would have had to be very very severe physical abuse and even then there may not have been anything.
however the nurse said she never says never that some people are prone to scar tissue and that it could happen....so there it is...
now i just sit with it i guess.
*TRIGGERED*
Posted by TherapyGirl on May 29, 2008, at 19:27:18
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Still Trigger*** » B2chica, posted by B2chica on May 29, 2008, at 14:58:15
I'm so sorry I triggered you. And I totally get what you're saying about the proof. In some small way, I feel validated. But still I'm freaked.
I hope you find a way to sit with it. I can do that some, but not at night. The nights are not fun right now.
(((B2Chica))))
Posted by TherapyGirl on May 29, 2008, at 19:36:18
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger***, posted by myrtledog on May 29, 2008, at 1:26:47
Thanks to all of you for supporting me. It really, really helps to be able to "discuss" this with people who know all the ways this is freaking me out. Daisy, you said it well when you called it a double-edged sword.
I'm going to talk to my primary care doc about what else could cause the adhesions -- there are multiple causes, but so far I haven't had any of the things that are listed except for the abuse. (Thanks, B2C, for the idea.) Part of me is horrified that there could be evidence after this long. And part of me feels validated.
My T was fairly good with it tonight, but also threw me a curve ball, so I just couldn't get very into it. She told me at the beginning of the session (because she wanted me to know this before deciding how deep to get into it) that she will be out next week due to a family medical situation. It's serious and I'm worried about her. And it just sucks for me. She also said she may be iffy for a while. I get it, I really do, but it is so not what I wanted to hear tonight.
One slightly funny thing -- I sat down and she said, "I have an item for the agenda." I looked at her and said, "Sh*t" under my breath. She said, "Now don't panic." I gave her a look and said, "I'm not panicked, but frankly you have never had an item for the agenda that has made me happy." She gave a small laugh and said, "Yeah, and this isn't gonna make you happy either."
I'm going to sit with it some more. Maybe I should get my journal back out. I haven't done that in a long while.
Posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2008, at 20:48:52
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger*** » Phillipa, posted by B2chica on May 29, 2008, at 14:41:44
B2C don't know and just babbled Theraphy Girl to see if she felt safe giving a bit more info on the form of abuse. Love Phillipa
Posted by muffled on May 30, 2008, at 0:46:27
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger*** -- Everyone, posted by TherapyGirl on May 29, 2008, at 19:36:18
Posted by B2chica on May 30, 2008, at 7:56:11
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger*** » B2chica, posted by Phillipa on May 29, 2008, at 20:48:52
thanks but i got my response from my OB.
response is above.
Posted by Phillipa on May 30, 2008, at 10:39:02
In reply to Re: Surgical report ***Trigger*** » Phillipa, posted by B2chica on May 30, 2008, at 7:56:11
Sorry I googled it very late and didn't want to post what I found. I guess depends on what happened and to what organs. Since it was so inconclusive to me didn't want to post what I found. It was too individual. Love Phillipa I'm glad your OB nurse could provide your personal info.
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