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Posted by muffled on January 9, 2009, at 23:02:34
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Posted by fleeting flutterby on January 10, 2009, at 11:38:39
In reply to Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 9, 2009, at 23:02:34
Thank you for sharing this.
It was very interesting-- and the show looks like it will be interesting also,
too bad I can't afford to have Showtime :o(flutterby-mandy
Posted by Phillipa on January 10, 2009, at 13:36:27
In reply to Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 9, 2009, at 23:02:34
Muffled thanks for sharing. What better way to understand than by seeing. Thanks and Love Phillipa
Posted by Looney Tunes on January 12, 2009, at 20:14:59
In reply to Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 9, 2009, at 23:02:34
What is interesting is that the psychiatrist that is on this blurb is one of the most "famous" clinicians and researchers in the area of DID.I don't know how the movie is going to be, but I was surprised Showtime interview him, Dr. Kluft.
Posted by Wittgensteinz on January 13, 2009, at 4:09:46
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by Looney Tunes on January 12, 2009, at 20:14:59
It was my understanding that Dr. Kluft is a rather controversial figure. He was involved in some of the huge ritual abuse court cases that later turned out to be fabricated due to the manipulative way in which the children were interviewed (his name is on the 'blacklist' of the False Memory Foundation) - I'm not saying this discredits his views on DID but it's a pity the interview couldn't have been with someone without this hanging over them.
I was also disappointed that mention was made of the case of Sybil, as its validity did not stand up to scrutiny.
My feeling is that DID needs a refreshing and new perspective, detached from the previous stereotypes which have attracted much criticism and skepticism. Making associations from the start with cases that were later suggested to be in part fabricated does not help with the popular acceptance and understanding of the disorder. Perhaps what is really needed is a portrayal that would bridge the gap between the spectrum of views and understandings of this dissociative disorder.
Just my thoughts. It makes me sad - personally I think the media has done DID a great disservice over the years.
Witti
Posted by rskontos on January 13, 2009, at 11:13:16
In reply to Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 9, 2009, at 23:02:34
Thanks muffled for posting that. He did describe how it feels to be DID very well. I do get Showtime but I am not sure I can watch it. I am very triggery these days and I think it would only set me off more. But maybe it is a good thing for others to see and help understand.
rsk
And he is right. It is harder for me to believe than my doc.
Posted by Looney Tunes on January 13, 2009, at 14:26:59
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by Wittgensteinz on January 13, 2009, at 4:09:46
Well, one problem of finding anyone with "authority on DID" is that actually, most of the "authorities" on DID or dissociation have been "debunked" by the FMS, "Stopbadtherapy movement," and others; including researchers like Judith Herman, Christine Curtois, and John Briere, to name a few.
Before I go on, I want to say that I think False Memories are VERY REAL. In my experiences with abused individuals, most remember their experiences to some extent. Their memories are not entirely forgetten, like a blank slate. People who create False Memories are usually (1) targets of bad therapy and (2) have other emotional problems that cause their needing to get attention.
That being said, I think Dr. Kluft has written the most and has treated the most dissociative clients, because his practice specializes in this. There is no disputing his "experience" in clinical cases.
What is disputed as always is the existence of DID. Can a personality really be comprised of many parts?So, the fact that he specializes in this, and sees the majority of his practice in this, makes him a target for (1) people who do create false memories, and (2) people who want to discredit dissociation. It's like the more you do, the more you are open to attack. The more articles you write, the more people see your work, the more books you write, the more people see your work....
He was one of the originals to get MPD into the DSM (along with Frank Putman, Phillip C**ns, Colin Ross, etc)...Are all his practices correct? I don't know. But I do know, he is considered a "grandfather" of the DID movement. ~ an expert in a VERY contverasial area.
Would it have been better to intereview someone like Dick Schwarz who created International Family Systems Therapy which 100% treats every client as a person with "parts" or "sub-personalities" whether DID or not. Probably not, because IFS is probably more contaversial because it assume everyone walking around is a personality of parts? Which goes against years and years of belief that an individual's personality is one unit and not parts.
I agree that Sybil should not have been mentioned, as it was later proved that her "personalities" were created IN therapy. She was not a true DID, but a person with a great deal of emotional problems who probably suffered abuse as a child, but not to the extent that was portrayed (science later proved that it was impossible).
Additionally, the majority of DID patients are not flamboyant like Sally Field portrayed. Most alters want to protect the system, not reveal that they exist.
But, DID is contaversial anyway, so utilizing the person who "wrote the book on it" to say in the interview I don't think hurt it. Perhaps adding other opinions would have been better; but I think the same issue would have been a problem if you used any DID research/expert.
Personally, I think this ShowTime movie is going to be another Sybil, except with humor attached. I don't think it will adequately represent people with dissociative disorders and again will do more harm than good. Because most "systems" do not behave as Showtime has shown thus far. (And I think Kluft says that).....
The best movie would be a documentary following people who are truly DID with collaborated evidence of abuse that probably led to the personalities splitting. Those DID people DO exist and getting a glimpse into their lives and how DID is a blessing and a curse would be a far better tribute to DID people than a movie on Showtime.
Excuse my spelling...I can't spell.
Posted by muffled on January 13, 2009, at 15:21:07
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » Wittgensteinz, posted by Looney Tunes on January 13, 2009, at 14:26:59
DID is the top end of a whole spectrum of dissociative disorders.
Note the word, disorder. its not a disorder unless it is causing problems.
I have yet to see the Tara show. Just seen the clips.
I know the ISSTD people are very interested in wassup w/it and are going to be inviting their members to comment their opinion once they have had a chance to see the first segment.
I don't think that anyone who does not have a dissociative disorder, a close relationship with someone with a dissociative disorder can make ANY comment on whether it is real or not. They have a right to their opinion, but they need to remember that for them to say to a DD person, it doesn't exist, is incredibly hurtful.
I am not DID, but DDNOS(if we MUST aplply labels here....), but many of the features are the same.
It DOES exist. I am living it. I am a rational, reasonably intelligent, at times very articulate person.
You would NOT know I had a DD. You might consider me a bit eccentric, but thats about it.
I go in denial about it regularly, but then I seem to be confused alot, and when I try to understand whats happening to me, nothing makes sense. When I STOP the denial and try to figure things out,its astonishing to me as everything just fits. Like a puzzle, the pieces just keep falling into place. Makes it hard to deny then.
I did not want this disorder. At times I truly hate it. Sometimes I do not mind it. Sometimes it is in fact helpful, sometimes it causes problems and distress.
It is a HUGELY misunderstood disorder cuz its freakin BIZARRO! I am in the midst if it and it s NUTS. Ridiculous etc etc etc. I am deeply ashamed that I am so weird. That I can't just stay 'me'.
As for memories, I have none. Why I am this way I have NO idea. I think its got to do w/my base personality, and perhaps genetics etc.
Memory is an EXTREEMLY complicated subject. It involves the intricate structures og the brain. The brain is SO somplex. They still don't undertsand how memeories are laid down or retrieved. There seems to be various sytems used at diff times of life, and in diff sdituations. And diff people remember diff ways.
So while I UTTERLY agree that there is no doubt clients have been misled, either by their therapists or by their ownselves, I ALSO beleive that memories CAN be reclaimed. The ACCURACY of the memes I am VERY cautious about, as they can have been encoded in diff ways, or had error in encoding or retrieval, or we in our humaness can 'fill in' the holes to try and make sense of them.
Its a HUGE subject.
I think memories, even seemingly contiguous memories need to be handled with a great deal of care.
So I have no memes, and sometimethere are flashes. But mostly I just feel the fear. I honestly don't think I will ever know, and honestly don't have any desire to know, other than sometimes I get frustrated with WHY I am the way I bloody am. I get frustrated.
I don't think retrieval of memes is at all requiered for treatment.
Treatment is anothe rwhole subject...
So in closing, I feel everyone is intitled to their opinion, but I would hope that those with dissenting opinions could present them with care.
I am the way I am, if you say I am not....then you are essentially telling me I am crazy.
I don't really have mems, those who say if I don't then they don't exist....then how I am here? I must have been a child, and grown up to be who I am.
I could go on all day, but I am very tired and fear I am not being as nearly clear as I would wish to be, about something that is very important to me.
As far as the Tara show. I have not seen it yet.
As far as Kluft, I think he is very respected. It could be he made a mistake at some time in his career, so who DOESN'T????? his career in DID has been LONG and public, it would srike me as VERY odd if there were no controversy.
Lastly now...finally.
There have been people that have been hurt, been traumatized by others incorrect memory. I can't even begin to imagine how they must feel, and so I understand their anger.
I agree with them that we need to be HUGELY careful with these memories.
Some are true, some are a mixed bag. But what is REAL, is that the person WAS hurt, the how may never be fully known. But they WERE hurt, and that is why they split.
For someone to tell people the mems are untrue,well that is just perpetuiating so many hurts to the already hurt, but accepting there WAS hurt, in whatever form is a TRUTH and that is enuf.
Best wishes to all.
Sorry if this has come out wrong.
God I am so tired right now.
M
Posted by Looney Tunes on January 13, 2009, at 15:56:52
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 13, 2009, at 15:21:07
Muffled -
I am not sure if your post was directed at me and my discussion of Kluft and DID, but it seemed a bit hostile. I NEVER said DID was not real, in fact I supported Kluft.
Maybe I should be more clear since you and the "babble groupies" don't really know me.
Me, diagnosed with DID (even in the insurance crap)
Me, have TONS of collaborating evidence of severe abuse that therapists want to believe caused splitting, which eventually caused me to be placed into state custody for the rest of my childhood
Me, participate in therapy geared to dealing with my "parts" and that is why I know IFS
Me, have time loss when "others" are out because I don't have co-consciousness
Me, have had a pretty unstable lifeTo state that I have no relationship and don't have a right to say what I said is assuming alot that you do not know about me.
And I am not sure where you got your content that anyone said DID was not real.I said False Memories ARE real. Scientific studies have proven that memories can be implanted. That is a fact. Read the literature......BUT, that DOES NOT discount the existence of DID....which YES, is VERY VERY controversial....
...to the point I don't believe it in myself, although evidence shows otherwise.
There are so many hostile people here, I don't quite get it.
Posted by muffled on January 13, 2009, at 16:45:26
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » muffled, posted by Looney Tunes on January 13, 2009, at 15:56:52
sorry looney, not at you, at the world, I been all emired in this Tara stuff and the probs of acceptance of DD on another site, and today sucked at T and I was tired
I just beenon a rant bout DD being real
the tara thing set me off
I amnot hostile to you
the wroitten word is so bad for understanding
I am sorry if came out seeming bad
I am not hostile to people, only to self
we all just trying is all
s'ok
thats the prob w/2 sites
ibest go back to the other cuz then the contxt is lost cuz you not seen my other words
i just want all to know bout DD, incl mysefl
cuz it si a crazymaking problemsorry sory
jus trying to spread the word
its so hard
i gotta sleep
I woierd tired so much
best to all
m
Posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2009, at 19:50:17
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 13, 2009, at 16:45:26
Muffled question your response was so articulate and well written. And last post was the how can I say this without insulting you but misspellings etc. Does that mean one you wrote one and someone another personality the last one? Please know I'm just trying to understand and not hurt you or anyone here. Love Phillipa
Posted by Wittgensteinz on January 14, 2009, at 6:35:27
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » Wittgensteinz, posted by Looney Tunes on January 13, 2009, at 14:26:59
LT,
Thank you for enlightening me - I hadn't appreciated the catch-22 nature of it. I think life must be very hard for those with DID, over and above the condition itself - but for the fact that there are such conflicting views regarding what it exactly is to be 'identity dissociated'.
I have no doubt about 'recovered memories' of past abuse or the 'forgetting' of abusive/traumatic episodes. I have experienced this personally to a certain extent, although I should say I do not suffer from a dissociative disorder. I have experienced things as a child for example that have never again come to mind until recently in therapy. I hadn't 'forgotten' them as such but had kept them out of mind since they had happened - under deep repression. Likewise, I have some blanks, aside from my coherent memories, and of course I know I did not cease to exist in those times, but from my immediate memories before and after these episodes, it is possible to infer what came in between.
DID is something that fascinates me. I did see one documentary about real people with DID. However, the one time I asked my therapist about the condition (and I was asking in general terms), he seemed skeptical of its existence - saying something like "one has to take responsibility for all aspects of oneself", which I took to imply that he did not believe a person could carry out a given action/behaviour while being unaware of it, having no responsibility over it. Almost to say that one 'pretends' they are not aware of it and under that guise they can behave differently.
The thing with this reaction is that it is very hard to disprove. Just like if I say "I feel happy" and someone responds "you're just pretending to be happy - you don't really feel that way!". Well, only I alone can know if I feel happy or not. In theory the same external behaviours can be replicated by a person who does not in fact feel that way. That doesn't mean that people don't ever feel 'happy' of course. And if someone adamantly tells you that you don't feel that way, you would reason to feel hurt and offended. And I guess this is the way that those with DID might feel about the way their diagnosis is viewed by some people.
I hope that as time goes by, the professional community will become more open-minded about the nature of this condition. It certainly isn't going to 'go away'.
I hope people aren't offended by my comments here. I should say that I have never doubted the existence of DID and the truth and reality of those who have this condition. What I do find, however, is that the portrayal of DID in the media if anything tends to make people more skeptical of its existence than educating people, which is a pity. I agree with LT that a true factual reflection of DID with real people and with the latest research and findings would be something more positive.
Witti
Posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 9:28:41
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » muffled, posted by Looney Tunes on January 13, 2009, at 15:56:52
Hey LT, my head is back on and I re read all posts and have no clue wassup? I read my words, but then of course I put the inflection in them as I read them to myself.
Not sure why you felt they were directed at you other than was my post adrressed to you(I don't think it was and I can't go back and look).
I think you did a GREAT job about writing about DID, much better than my effort.
I think part of what is driving my angst that all should understand DD is the comming of the Tara show, but also cuz I am getting really close to maybe admitting wassup w/me to a friend. It is agonizing to me. I just am SO tired of being alone w/this in real life. I honestly think my friend already knows by now, but I haven't said it directly, and now I worry to be the same alla the time round her :-(
I was tired yesterday. The treament is SO slow, I am SO frustrated. It seems there is no end. :-(
So I dunno if this helps you any to understand where I was comming from, cuz like I say, I am not the sort to attack. Rather a pacifist I suppose. Just hate seeing hurt.
So take good care.
I don't post much here.
Just kinda wanted to get the dissociation education thing happening here as well.
Best wishes to you.
M
Posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 9:37:02
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » muffled, posted by Phillipa on January 13, 2009, at 19:50:17
Not sure phillipa, I think I was just bizzarely tired and wanted to fire a post off quick cuz I was afraid LT was feeling bad is all.
Its not clear to me when there is a change for the most part. Generally its very subtle, and is more likely to be noticed by tone of voice, body language and perhaps choice of words as well i guess.
If you see that show United states of tara, I am not like that at all. I think I am considered eccentric, but I can't imagine anyone goes around thinking 'oh that muffled, she has a DD!' LOL! Most of what goes on is internal, it can't be seen.
You don't offend me phillipa at all.
M
Posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 9:43:44
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » muffled, posted by Looney Tunes on January 13, 2009, at 15:56:52
LT, I just wanted to add one last thing.
There is not intended to be babble 'groupies'.
All my life I have been an outsider, never a part of the group. I think in part now, that its due to the DD and my constant hiding of it, and so never allowing anyone too close.
I think you may possibly feel the groupie thing only cuz there are some posters that have posted quite awhile, or alot at one time and so we have gotten to know one another.
I am very sorry if you feel excluded somehow.
Babble is for all.
I don't babble much for one of those reasons, cuz I used to worry SO much that anyone felt left out and would spend HOURS checking posts to make sure all felt included. HAD to respond to all.
I must go, but please don't feel excluded we are all in this together.
We just trying to get by, and if we can help each other along the way.
GOOD!
Thanks,
M
Posted by Wittgensteinz on January 14, 2009, at 10:33:18
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 9:43:44
Just wanted to say. I hope I didn't upset you with anything I wrote. It wasn't my plan to attack anyone. I wasn't trying to undermine the reality of DID. As it happens, I've learned something important and interesting from this thread.
I'm sorry you have such a hard time of things because of your DD. I can't begin to imagine actually how it must be. I hope, if you do tell your friend, that it goes well and she/he embraces who you are.
Witti
Posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 13:29:23
In reply to for Muffled, posted by Wittgensteinz on January 14, 2009, at 10:33:18
Posted by antigua3 on January 14, 2009, at 15:44:32
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 9:43:44
Hi muffled,
I'm not sure which of your posts I really wanted to respond to, but the last one will at least get your attention! (I hope, anyway)I hope you can tell your friend about what's going on w/you and that you will get the response you hope for. You know to be careful with that because sometimes people who don't fully understand, no matter how great a person, or friend, they are to us, sometimes they just don't get it. So take care about that, ok?
Another thing. My mind races to pure rage whenever the FMS is brought up, and for me, I know that's a defense. I know memories can be incomplete, or totally lacking and brought back maybe in pieces, because it has happened to me, but for anyone, thing or organization to imply that my memories aren't real only reinforces my belief that these things didn't happen to me. And that's dangerous for me. It makes me lose all perspective and regress into some sort of acceptance that I made this all up, etc., which has done huge damage to my progress.
So I try to trust my instincts. It's so very hard to do.
I respect so much the effort you've put into trying to understand your situation. You work incredibly hard at it, and that comes across here every time you post about this.
Actually, I'm not sure I'm saying what I want. Maybe I'm not sure what I want to say, except I think you're great and I wish I could be half as honest with myself as you are.
antigua,
who doesn't want anyone else who posted on this thread to think this is directed toward them. If I had the guts, I would start my own thread on FMS.
Posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 16:32:30
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » muffled, posted by antigua3 on January 14, 2009, at 15:44:32
> Hi muffled,
*hey you! :)
> I'm not sure which of your posts I really wanted to respond to, but the last one will at least get your attention! (I hope, anyway)
*you allus get my attn :) Though I not s'posed to be posting!!! LOL. Just this whole DD topic is so dear to my heart.
> I hope you can tell your friend about what's going on w/you and that you will get the response you hope for. You know to be careful with that because sometimes people who don't fully understand, no matter how great a person, or friend, they are to us, sometimes they just don't get it. So take care about that, ok?*Oh man,LOL! I am being careful! I am many, many months circling round this. I think she MAY have a clue, I dunno. I mean I AM a bit odd at best, but what does the odd cover up?guess a person can't know. BUT I have asked her to tape the United states of Tara show for me, and sent her a link to the Kluft interview. (she is a T so thot she might be interested...ROFL!!!!)And she knows I go to a T that has DD as one of her specialties....
One of her best friends thru T school has worked w/DID people B4, least one anyways for sure, so its likely my friend is open to the whole DD thing.
Though when I tell her..I am thinking....so what THEN???? I am still gonna hide the others, try to allus be in control....so whats the point? I think she likely knows already cuz of things I have said. She is just being wise and not saying anything until I do. But.....tgh...I just dunno. I am so tired of being alone in this...:(
> Another thing. My mind races to pure rage whenever the FMS is brought up, and for me, I know that's a defense. I know memories can be incomplete, or totally lacking and brought back maybe in pieces, because it has happened to me, but for anyone, thing or organization to imply that my memories aren't real only reinforces my belief that these things didn't happen to me. And that's dangerous for me. It makes me lose all perspective and regress into some sort of acceptance that I made this all up, etc., which has done huge damage to my progress.*well the very mechanism of dissociation lends itself to denial of all kinds. Not one of its more wonderful points.
I last week had a terrible time with a part that newly(relatively) fully arrived and was really nasty about denial etc. It did not beleive there was any DD or 'others' etc and caused a GREAT deal of upset. Fortunately it seems to have backed off. But while it was there, there was NO use of therapy...:(
> So I try to trust my instincts. It's so very hard to do.*How to trust? Its all so friggin changeable...how do we know what is real???WHO is "real",arrgghhh LOL! don't get me started down THAT road! I'll crash Bobs server!
But seriously, its true, the body apparently remembers stuff the brain doesn't. Like I told my T bout flinching in a certain situation, and she was trying to explain (to a VERY skeptical) me, that the flinch, was the body remembering and responding in kind to a situation in the past. (WHAT I have no clue). It was like a warning response to something it perceived as danger. Not danger in the now obvo, but a response from a danger that was in my past.
Its crazymaking all this stuff isn't it?
I hope you can learn to trust.
> I respect so much the effort you've put into trying to understand your situation. You work incredibly hard at it, and that comes across here every time you post about this.*awww <blush>, thank you, you won't know it, but I REALLY needed that. T yesterday SUCKED.
> Actually, I'm not sure I'm saying what I want. Maybe I'm not sure what I want to say, except I think you're great and I wish I could be half as honest with myself as you are.*ROFL! I have my moments....you shoulda heard me when R-me was here last week....honest...NOT!!! Its ultimate answer when it couldn't answer was 'well its just riduculous, it can't be", a non-answer. I am GLAD its not here right now.
> antigua,
> who doesn't want anyone else who posted on this thread to think this is directed toward them. If I had the guts, I would start my own thread on FMS.*Can you imagine!!!!a thread on FMS! Best take THAT to POLITICS board!!! I hear its lively there!
Thanks for the pick me up antigua.
I haven't been reading babble(cept this thread) cuz I am trying to stay away, and if I read, I want to come back :(
so I don't know if you have posted. I hope things are OK for you. You have been much help to me in the past and I thank you.
M
Posted by Phillipa on January 14, 2009, at 19:07:34
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 16:32:30
Muffled so glad didn't offend you. You are so sweet and kind. Feel like I know you. Love Phillipa
Posted by rskontos on January 15, 2009, at 17:50:30
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by muffled on January 14, 2009, at 16:32:30
Muffled, i have told only 1 IRL friend and she was great. She believed me and understood. She knows for the most part my whole sad story. Well let's say more than anyone else I've ever told. And she was so sweet. She cried with me, validated me. It was the right thing to do and an extremely risky thing for me to do. I am glad today I did it. I only regret her moving to another state. We don't get to talk anymore like we used to. And that is hard when I really need someone in real life. Like now.
I can't tell you whether or not to tell your friend. It is risk only you can decide. I can tell you mine went well. I know that there is no one else right now I would risk it with.
take care,
rsk
Posted by B2chica on January 16, 2009, at 12:10:03
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by rskontos on January 15, 2009, at 17:50:30
((((((((((((((muffled)))))))))))))))
ok, first i wanted to give you hugs.
its a big step for you. and a good one at that i think.
i think the only advice i have right now is to ask yourself: what you hope to get from telling the friend.
what kind of reaction might you get. and how will you feel if you don't get that reaction?i guess i'm saying to trust yourself and if you feel now is the time to talk then do so...but i feel so protective of you i just want to tell you, but you'll be ok if you dont get the response you hoped for. and also remember, some people initially dont respond well to news but given some time can be wonderful about it.
you know yourself and your friend better than anyone.
let us know how it goes.Best BEST wishes!
b2c.
Posted by muffled on January 16, 2009, at 12:18:53
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D. » muffled, posted by Phillipa on January 14, 2009, at 19:07:34
Posted by muffled on January 16, 2009, at 12:20:38
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D., posted by rskontos on January 15, 2009, at 17:50:30
Thanks RSK.
LOL, I waffle on it.
Sometimes yes, I MUST tell her, I gonna I gonna.
Then...NO WAY!!!
Reckon you know how it is.
We shall see...
Take good care,
M
Posted by muffled on January 16, 2009, at 12:22:55
In reply to Re: Good blurb bout D.I.D._telling friend » rskontos, posted by B2chica on January 16, 2009, at 12:10:03
B2, thats sweet of you to watch out for me.
I think I want to tell her, just to have someone KNOW.
I don't wish any support from her.
I just so tired of being ALONE with this thing.
Thats bout it for 'why' I think.
Goto run.
I not posting/reading right now, 'cept this thread.
So you take good care.
M
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