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Posted by abitscared on March 6, 2005, at 14:06:30
I have always wanted to try 'shrooms' or 'magic mushrooms' and it looks like I will finally have the opportunity shortly. I'm worried about conflicts with my meds and my condition.
I currently take:
Wellbutrin SR (150 mg/twice a day)
Depakote (2250 mg/day)and then:
Synthroid
Mavik (hypertension)
Ambien (only as needed)I really don't know what to do here. I have no 'moral' problems with trying this experience. I just don't know the special dangers/considerations that we, with our unique problems/med regimines, must take into account. I certainly don't want to make my depression permanently worse.
Thanks in advance for ANY help!
Posted by Spriggy on March 6, 2005, at 14:06:30
In reply to 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by abitscared on March 6, 2005, at 11:13:10
Okay, maybe I'm just clueless (okkay.. I am clueless) but what do you mean by trying mushrooms?
What exactly are they supposed to do for you or help?
When my parent's had major drug problems in the late 70's, they often drank mushroom juice. My dad talks of the worst 12 hour hallucinations of his life from it.
So I am assuming you aren't referring to doing something like that?
I'm just curious.
Posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 14:06:31
In reply to 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by abitscared on March 6, 2005, at 11:13:10
Hi,
If you do take magic mushrooms you will need a sober, unintoxicated friend with you at all times ie. until the drug has worn off. You MUST take the drug in a familiar place where you can get help if you need it. Make sure your friend is trustworthy and will be able to deal with your behaviour if you freak out.
Please visit the Vaults of Erowid and click on mushroooms.......
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml
>I'm worried about conflicts with my meds and my condition.
LOL, unsuprisingly, the interactions between hallucinogens and conventional medications have not been formally studied. You take mushrooms at your own risk!
Ed.
Posted by Spriggy on March 6, 2005, at 14:06:31
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 12:20:29
Okay... so somebody explain to me what they do for you??Do you simply take them to hallucinate?
I hallucinated on Lexapro- maybe you could just have your dr. prescribe you some of that instead.
LOL
Posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2005, at 18:25:07
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by Spriggy on March 6, 2005, at 12:32:59
Ah.
I have taken quite a lot of the old magic mushies in my time...
They are similar to LSD but different... but maybe just because the dosage is different (that can be hard to guesstimate).With ANY hallucinagen you get good trips and you get bad trips and you can also get good trips turned bad. There is an element of risk involved. It is affected somewhat by your expectations of the drug, the environment you take them in etc etc. But there is also an unknown quantity. Just like whether you will dream happy dreams or whether you will have a nightmare...
I have had good trips (boy have I ever)
And I have also had my share of bad trips.
Trips that left me reeling for a couple of days...
Depressed...
Sometimes I would end up having to have a bit of 'time out' in hospital after one of those...
Not because I lost the plot completely but because I was feeling pretty low and ruminating on all sorts of bad stuff.
I have heard of people who have lost the plot completely, though.
But who knows. If that hadn't triggered them maybe that would have happened sooner or later anyway.My understanding is that the drug makes the neurons release all the stored up neurotransmitter pretty much all in one big hit.
So you get the effects (kind of like dreaming with ones eyes open and still being able to move around).
But that means ones supply of the neurotransmitter has been depleated. It can take a couple of days for things to get back to normal (to make more of the transmitter).IF you do this. IF you do. Then my advice to you would be to think happy thoughts and focus on the good feeling as much as possible. If you start to feel scaired or creeped out or panicky tell yourself 'it is just the effects of the drug and it will wear off soon' over and over and over. Don't let yourself forget that. Take deep breaths. Do you have good coping strategies for dealing with feelings like that? Because that is what bad trips are all about. Seeing all kinds of crazy sh*t and or thinking all kinds of crazy sh*t - but what gets you in the end (and sometimes this happens without the first two things) is the terror and the panic. You need to be able to control and soothe and handle the fear and stop it from building up...
Ones mind can indeed get up to some crazy sh*t.
That being said... Wild horses couldn't drag me away.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2005, at 18:31:13
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2005, at 18:25:07
If it is the first time you have used them then you want to aim for a short trip. About 3 or 4 or maybe 5 hours. If you have a nice one of those then you can aim it a bit longer next time.
The last thing you want to do is give your system (which has never had a chance to know what to expect etc) a big hit of the drug. A 12 hour experience or anything like that.
I would say that it is the latter kind of case that severely freaks people out.
I start small.
Every season.
Bout 7 little ones (gold tops). Make coffee out of it. If you eat the flesh you are most likely to chunder (you get the high but they taste grotty anyways).
By the end of the season we have worked up to about 30-35 each.
Posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2005, at 18:32:18
In reply to Re: PS, posted by alexandra_k on March 6, 2005, at 18:31:13
But don't go with the ammounts I cited because they come in a huge variety of sizes.
Estimating strength is always a bit touch and go...
Posted by gromit on March 7, 2005, at 2:54:06
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by ed_uk on March 6, 2005, at 12:20:29
As far as I know I've never eaten goat droppings but I imagine they would taste just like these things. Take the other posters advice, start low until you know how you are going to react and how potent the shroooooms are, it can vary a lot. The half life is pretty long so once it's in... I only had one bad experience, I fell thru a second story picture window. Not really, it was like I passed thru the glass and fell to the pavement, like a very real falling dream but I was wide awake. This led to my one and only panic attack, I pounded like 4 beers and 10 bong hits in about 5 minutes and I calmed myself down. The friends I was with were also tripping so they were no help. That was my last time taking magic mushrooms.
It can be fun to experiment but be careful.
Rick
Posted by itsme2003 on March 7, 2005, at 10:34:04
In reply to 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by abitscared on March 6, 2005, at 11:13:10
You said that you didn't "want to make [your] depression permanently worse." Mushrooms will probably not do that, but you might have a few days afterwards where you feel very psychologically drained. This feeling might be moderate or it might be very pronounced. If you are easily thrown off psychological balance and take a long time to recover then I would discourage you from trying mushrooms.
The post from alexandra_k had lots of good info in it. Also be prepared to vomit.
I also agree with the post about having a good environment around you for tripping.
Posted by Impermanence on March 8, 2005, at 8:35:07
In reply to 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by abitscared on March 6, 2005, at 11:13:10
A rule of thumb with hallucinegenics (shrooms, l.s.d., l.s.a., d.m.t./ayahuasca, salvia divinorum, mescaline ect) is if you're very nervous and generally not feeling good about taking them at the time you are about to take them then you're more likely to have a bad trip. There's nothing dangerous about a bad trip apart from "feeling" scared, "thinking" you're going to die, having panic attacks, paranoia ect. A good tip is to medatite on your own for a half an hour before you take them. Have a calm mind. Understand you are about to unlock doors in your mind and feel good about it. If your trip is strong, embrace it, go with the flow and enjoy it. NEVER fight it or worry, thats how bad trips happen!!!
Always have a friend who is not taking anything with you even if it's a group of you taking them, thats just a precaution in case you all start thinking you can fly or something (it does happen believe it or not), or in case one of you starts to panic. It's highly unlikely anything too strong will happen on shrooms, they're usually mild and enjoyable (apart from nausea)and only last a few hours unlike acid which can be EXTREME and you're in for it for about 12 hours.
Whatever you want to happen on shrooms will happen. You start thinking about death and snakes then you're in for a morbid trip. But if you take it as a spiritual awakening, a devine shamanistic experience ect, well you're in for an awakening.
Don't take any benzodiazepines or any of your Ambien on the day of taking as they will lessen the effect, on the other hand they will bring you down if you're having an experience you don't want to have. Orange juce will also bring you down.
All in all, enjoy it, you won't have any problems of interactions with the meds you're on so go for it. Open up a new level of consciousness, you're about to enter a whole new world of perception and it may change your life for the better.
There's some great books out there on psychedelics by people like Terrence McKenna and Tim Leary that will help you understand hallucinegenics and consciousness in a different light, and you may see your trip and future trips as more than just a fun time with friends. You can also get some free ebooks here:
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/bookmenu.htm
And as someone posted before me: http://www.erowid.org/ is the greatest drugs database on the net.
Posted by ed_uk on March 8, 2005, at 9:49:08
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by Impermanence on March 8, 2005, at 8:35:07
>And as someone posted before me: http://www.erowid.org/ is the greatest drugs database on the net.
Lol yes, that was me! Erowid's pretty cool, isn't it?
Ed.
Posted by mattw84 on March 8, 2005, at 12:01:05
In reply to 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by abitscared on March 6, 2005, at 11:13:10
The depakote should keep you calm... and don't let the bad trip hype scare you! I don't know anyone who hasn't had a blast their first time shrooming! But do have sitter (A sober person) around at least to keep an eye on you -- and most importantly, have fun!
Give us the post-trip!!Matt
Posted by alexandra_k on March 9, 2005, at 3:02:05
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by Impermanence on March 8, 2005, at 8:35:07
Is it appropriate to post how to prepare them so you don't throw up???
Posted by ed_uk on March 9, 2005, at 7:25:24
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by mattw84 on March 8, 2005, at 12:01:05
>I don't know anyone who hasn't had a blast their first time shrooming!
I do! But he was alone in a foreign country at the time :-S
Ed.
Posted by Declan on April 14, 2005, at 21:52:20
In reply to Re: 'Shrooms' and my meds/condition, posted by Impermanence on March 8, 2005, at 8:35:07
I've always thought a lot of psychedelics, even if it's been awful. But I have noticed with what here (Australia) we call 'gold tops' (Psiloscybe Cubensis I think), that there seems to be some alteration to my heart rhythm, say a build up of pressure relieved by a couple of irregular beats. This would gradually build up again. There seemed to be pressure and discomfort, and of course the emotional things. Suppose its one of the many alkaloids in them. Don't take too many to begin with. Hope this helps
Declan
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