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Posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 18:10:00
I just gotta ask, does anyone else ever question the recommendations offered by some of the members here? I mean, if they have all the answers, what the hell are they living their lives at this site for?? Post after post on Nardil, Parnate, Ensam the same meds and the same augmentation strategies. Ask yourself, if they really are effective at treating depression, what the hell are we all doing here? We should be out living our lives to the fullest cause we are stable, just not so. Ever wonder what meds all those stable folks are taking?? I do. I wish some of them would show up here and share their success rather than the same old posts containing desperation and such..... you go parnate.....
Posted by SLS on November 30, 2009, at 19:55:05
In reply to Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 18:10:00
You make a good point. If our doctors were able to hit the target, we wouldn't be here.
As I see it:
Count the number of posters on Psycho-Babble and divide that by the 15 million adults with depression in the US. You will see that we are a rather select lot. Unfortunately, that selection is of treatment resistance or other difficult treatment issues. The treatment of the average case results in success. I think the success rate for treating major depressive disorder is higher than what is often reported in clinical trials. I believe that this is an artifact of poor selection criteria and protocol execution.
What is your doctor's best idea on how to treat you and give you back your life?
- Scott
Posted by emmanuel98 on November 30, 2009, at 20:18:41
In reply to Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 18:10:00
I have been treated very sucessfully with parnate and perphenazine. I like to read the postings on this site because it was helpful to me when I first started parnate and I hope I can be of some help in return. On the other hand, people respond very differently to different meds.
Posted by linkadge on November 30, 2009, at 20:28:47
In reply to Re: Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by emmanuel98 on November 30, 2009, at 20:18:41
Well why do we have support and medication sites for any illness - parkinsons, alzheimer's, MS?
The point is that no we don't have magic beans, but we do have treatments that may do something.
This site is here to help patients find the answers that are optimal (given the current state of medicine) for them.
Just cause a medication helps somewhat doesn't mean it won't need adjusting, augmenting etc.
Linkadge
Posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 20:41:28
In reply to Re: Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by linkadge on November 30, 2009, at 20:28:47
Good points guys, thanks.
Posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 30, 2009, at 22:55:24
In reply to Re: Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 20:41:28
I feel like I owe a huge amount, maybe my life, to fellow PB posters.
I was scared to death of Parnate. I didn't know anyone who had ever taken it. The diet, the med restrictions all gave me fear. I had a rough time getting on it and getting the kinks worked out. I never would have been able to do this without all the ideas, explanations, support and help I got here, especially from Scott.
I am only able to see my pdoc every three months for 20-30 min. I needed practically daily help and I got it here.
Parnate is working wonderfully well for me now. I had been on the verge of suicide after so many years of trying different meds etc.etc. Parnate was my last med before ETC and I absolutely was NOT doing that. Instead, I'm having a pretty darn good life, one day at a time.
I keep coming back because I'm interested in how others are doing. I want to add something positive if I can. I learn a lot of interesting things. I'm afraid of Parnate stopping working or something else happening that I may need a lot of support again.
I've gotten some geniunely magic beans here and I'm forever grateful.
Gayle
Posted by Phillipa on December 1, 2009, at 0:01:15
In reply to Re: Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 30, 2009, at 22:55:24
Two things. First half the people I know take SSRI's or SNRI's and a benzo and do just fine. They get out work live their lives. Then there are those like me who have formed frienships here and as Colorado said want to see how others are doing. I do know a lot of old posters that no longer frequent the site that I write with. Reason they are not here their docs said stay away as they got frightened by the amount of meds some take. This is my own experience only. Can speak for no one else. And I try to help others just my nature. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on December 2, 2009, at 4:50:18
In reply to Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 18:10:00
hey man a change of name, WHY???. any way people read the site to see people in the same distress as themselves, ie, there not the only one.it help,s to no there not alone,but you new that
Posted by bleauberry on December 2, 2009, at 5:34:25
In reply to Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 18:10:00
I question the recommendation of my doctors more. They are in a position to give recommendations that should trounce any we can make, yet they fail miserably. Many here are better than they.
Posted by greywolf on December 4, 2009, at 2:38:42
In reply to Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by RocketMan on November 30, 2009, at 18:10:00
You know, not many posts get me going, but this one has. "Armchair p/docs"? I'll hazard a guess that there are at least a few regular posters here who can carry on a conversation about just about any medication and its physiological operation with any pdoc around.
Second, I don't see many "magic beans." I see a small group (in relation to the millions out there) who are, for the most part, treatment resistant using normal modalities, and are doing their best to make themselves aware of any unexplored options that might make them better.
Third, all those "stable" people out there? Don't bet your life on it. I know, right now, just in my workplace, and just on my floor, 4 people on various ADs. They've each been on the same ADs for years (2 get them from their GPs because they are afraid of the stigma of seeing a pdoc), and guess what? They are about as stable as spinning tops, but they won't do anything about it because they don't recognize their problems. They just pop the same ineffective pills and take days off to "decompress" because obviously work's so bad that even their ADs can't compensate. Never occurs to them that they need to go back to work on different or stronger meds.
So no, I don't buy this "armchair" speculation about all the "stable" folks out there (and I haven't even touched on the numerous people who clearly need help but refuse treatment expressly because it's "for weaklings" or "nutcases" or "anyone who sees a pdoc is crazy").
I've learned a lot at this site, and I try to contribute when I can. Want to know precisely what taking Saphris is like? You won't find it anywhere else on the net right now because it's so new, but you can read my post about the horrible experience and judge for yourself.
No one has to hang out here. Everyone's free to pop in and out for info once in awhile. People utilize this resource in the way they are most comfortable. I see nothing wrong with that.
> I just gotta ask, does anyone else ever question the recommendations offered by some of the members here? I mean, if they have all the answers, what the hell are they living their lives at this site for?? Post after post on Nardil, Parnate, Ensam the same meds and the same augmentation strategies. Ask yourself, if they really are effective at treating depression, what the hell are we all doing here? We should be out living our lives to the fullest cause we are stable, just not so. Ever wonder what meds all those stable folks are taking?? I do. I wish some of them would show up here and share their success rather than the same old posts containing desperation and such..... you go parnate.....
Posted by mtdewcmu on December 4, 2009, at 8:38:36
In reply to Re: Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by greywolf on December 4, 2009, at 2:38:42
> Third, all those "stable" people out there? Don't bet your life on it. I know, right now, just in my workplace, and just on my floor, 4 people on various ADs. They've each been on the same ADs for years (2 get them from their GPs because they are afraid of the stigma of seeing a pdoc), and guess what? They are about as stable as spinning tops, but they won't do anything about it because they don't recognize their problems. They just pop the same ineffective pills and take days off to "decompress" because obviously work's so bad that even their ADs can't compensate. Never occurs to them that they need to go back to work on different or stronger meds.
>I think you are right about the "stable" people not really being all that stable. I am sure that there are a great many people out there who are suffering, because they are either too afraid to complain about their meds, or they don't know how much better life could be if they made some improvements to their regimen.
Posted by Phillipa on December 4, 2009, at 19:49:22
In reply to Re: Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by mtdewcmu on December 4, 2009, at 8:38:36
Seriously I'm a people watcher and see many happen folks on a plain old SSRI? Phillipa laughing, smiling, shopping, working?
Posted by Zyprexa on December 5, 2009, at 17:34:30
In reply to Re: Armchair p/docs and their magic beans?, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on November 30, 2009, at 22:55:24
When I first started visiting this site a number of years ago, it helped me understand what others are going through, the same thing as me. I wanted others to know what I was going through. I just talking on this sit helps me understand the illness's better. Now I can put a name on all the things I am going through, like anxiety, and psychosis, etc. My doctor didn't tell me I had a diagnosis.
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