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Posted by Phidippus on December 11, 2011, at 17:39:27
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .., posted by gadchik on December 10, 2011, at 19:59:43
Most benzzodiazapines have some mood stabilizing effect, but Klonopin is is especially useful as a mild anti-manic.
Eric
Posted by Phillipa on December 11, 2011, at 19:23:25
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by Phidippus on December 11, 2011, at 17:39:27
Well not manic for sure so it won't allow serotonin into the synases to stay a while. Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on December 12, 2011, at 7:34:38
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phidippus, posted by Phillipa on December 11, 2011, at 19:23:25
valium depressed me,but i was already getting depressed,and i believe if id been properly taking an antidepressant w/it,that wouldnt have happened.I tried it at night,it calmed me,but next day,depression loomed.But it would have anyway.Im curious about klonopin and serotonin.Ive heard that anxious people have too much serotonin.I wonder if for me,the klonopin deals w/that? I didnt feel depressed i guess because i had treated it w/zoloft.but i went off zoloft february 2011,havent felt depressed,but still on klonopin.
Posted by Phillipa on December 12, 2011, at 18:45:59
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .., posted by gadchik on December 12, 2011, at 7:34:38
And no anxiety? I thought the SSRI's were supposed to allow more serotonin into brain? Mine was in reverse first for years benzos then after thyroid problems was given an ad? Phillipa
Posted by Phidippus on December 13, 2011, at 17:00:38
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .., posted by gadchik on December 12, 2011, at 7:34:38
>Im curious about klonopin and serotonin
Klonopin is a seratonin antagonist and of all the benzodiazipnes is the likeliest to cause depression.
Anxiety disorders involve defeciencies of seratonin in certain areas of the brain.
Eric
Posted by Phidippus on December 13, 2011, at 17:01:43
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phidippus, posted by Phillipa on December 11, 2011, at 19:23:25
Valium has no affinity for seratonin receptors.
Eric
Posted by gadchik on December 13, 2011, at 17:24:31
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by Phidippus on December 13, 2011, at 17:00:38
Thanks for the info,what,in your opinion is the best treatment for gad with panic(occasionally)considering the brain chemistry that goes with that diagnosis?
Posted by Phidippus on December 13, 2011, at 17:40:45
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phidippus, posted by gadchik on December 13, 2011, at 17:24:31
I would recommend an SSRI, like Paxil or Zoloft. Since it takes a few weeks for the medication to become effective, a benzodiazapine is often recommended to tide one over until the SSRI is effective. Do not do Xanax! Its best to treat panic with Clonazepam or Valium.
Another cool drug which might help out is Prazosin, which has been studied in the treatment of panic disorder.
Eric
Posted by floatingbridge on December 14, 2011, at 8:31:28
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by Phidippus on December 13, 2011, at 17:00:38
> >Im curious about klonopin and serotonin
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> Klonopin is a seratonin antagonist and of all the benzodiazipnes is the likeliest to cause depression.
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> Anxiety disorders involve defeciencies of seratonin in certain areas of the brain.
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> EricSo maybe getting off Xanax by switching to Klonopin (then tapering Klonopin) may not be a super choice for a depressive? I only take .5mg Xanax XR daily. It's my little chimp that rides around with me.
Posted by Phidippus on December 14, 2011, at 20:09:38
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phidippus, posted by floatingbridge on December 14, 2011, at 8:31:28
Valium might be a better choice.
Eric
Posted by gadchik on December 15, 2011, at 11:42:11
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phidippus, posted by floatingbridge on December 14, 2011, at 8:31:28
Why does klonopin make me happy? When you look at the science of it,I should feel depressed.I am prone to depression.Im too confused!Is that my future w/klonopin-sadness,and tolerance???ugh,i didnt like zoloft after awhile.But i keep liking klonopin.What are your plans w/the chimp?
Posted by floatingbridge on December 15, 2011, at 12:36:24
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » floatingbridge, posted by gadchik on December 15, 2011, at 11:42:11
Well, gadchik, I keep asking my pdoc about the chimp, and he seems to be in no hurry to relieve me of her. I guess we still have bigger projects to work on. I think I should just 'relax' about having an anti-anxiety med and feel fortunate that I have a mellow pdoc. You were not around, I don't think, when my last pdoc flipped out on me.
My new pdoc's prefered method, I think, when that magic time comes, would be to use Valium.
If Klonopin works for you, never mind the theory or thousand other people's experiences, you know? I would prefer Klonopin monotherapy to Zoloft monotherapy myself. But that's me, a depressive, so consider the source :)
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2011, at 20:26:56
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by floatingbridge on December 15, 2011, at 12:36:24
Chimp? Monkey on back? Hey you take what works for you. What works for one may not work for another. Lucky the docs will prescribe them. Things could be worse. Myself have never liked ad's. First to go them me thinks. Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on December 16, 2011, at 6:30:09
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by floatingbridge on December 15, 2011, at 12:36:24
do tell about the pdoc flipping out?
Posted by gadchik on December 16, 2011, at 6:32:16
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2011, at 20:26:56
the only time i feel like an ad is if im heading twd depression.thats usually only if i dont control my anxiety,klonopin controls it
Posted by Phidippus on December 16, 2011, at 17:50:06
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » floatingbridge, posted by gadchik on December 15, 2011, at 11:42:11
>Why does klonopin make me happy?
Because it relieves your anxiety! IT may also cause some disinhibition for you.
Eric
Posted by gadchik on December 16, 2011, at 18:03:26
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by Phidippus on December 16, 2011, at 17:50:06
so simple,and so true! I didnt even consider disinhibition,that is something for me to mull over. thanks,eric
Posted by Phillipa on December 16, 2011, at 18:18:06
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phidippus, posted by gadchik on December 16, 2011, at 18:03:26
Relief of anxiety. It works so well for you!! Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on December 16, 2011, at 18:25:50
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by Phillipa on December 16, 2011, at 18:18:06
sometimes i think,maybe i dont have anxiety anymore.but i had an episode a few weeks ago,panic,so bad,my vision blurred.I took .25mg klonopin.That little pill stopped the panic dead in its tracks.unbelievable after 3 yrs!I wish you could take it,phillipa!
Posted by floatingbridge on December 16, 2011, at 19:45:10
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phillipa, posted by gadchik on December 16, 2011, at 18:25:50
i like that poem.
Posted by Phillipa on December 16, 2011, at 21:07:45
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phillipa, posted by gadchik on December 16, 2011, at 18:25:50
I did again when emsam new was going to go on it and another poster sent me the real namebrand it worked fine then felt guilty cause pdoc didn't know so switched back. I still have some. Quite a few I think in my safe. Maybe will try them again at some point. Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on December 17, 2011, at 6:27:09
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by Phillipa on December 16, 2011, at 21:07:45
thats funny,i also keep various psych meds in my safe! Ive had paxil,trazodone,seroquel(pdoc gave me samples),xanax,flexeril,valium,etc,and always my stockpile of klonopin!Some I have thrown out,others i keep.
Posted by gadchik on December 17, 2011, at 6:32:15
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by floatingbridge on December 16, 2011, at 19:45:10
thanks, im thinking of changing it soon,im reading some great memoirs and i like a few of the quotes they put in the beginning of the chapters.But that poem says to me, that you can go thru the devastation that is a major physical and mental breakdown,and go back to explore it in depth to break it down,really study it.And you see that there are some "treasures" still unbroken.Thats what you hold onto to get well.
Posted by Phillipa on December 17, 2011, at 18:54:49
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » Phillipa, posted by gadchik on December 17, 2011, at 6:27:09
Got a basket under the sink also what would you like to sample today? Even have an original sample box of emsam from when new. Antibiotics have to go as they are not stable. Other than that the rest last for many years. Phillipa
Posted by sukarno on December 29, 2011, at 16:03:26
In reply to Re: So valium is saving my life, but .. » gadchik, posted by Phidippus on December 13, 2011, at 17:40:45
> I would recommend an SSRI, like Paxil or Zoloft. Since it takes a few weeks for the medication to become effective, a benzodiazapine is often recommended to tide one over until the SSRI is effective. Do not do Xanax! Its best to treat panic with Clonazepam or Valium.
>
> Another cool drug which might help out is Prazosin, which has been studied in the treatment of panic disorder.
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> EricI've been on Xanax for years by prescription from my pdoc (1mg q.i.d.) and it works very well for my panic disorder. I almost never get anxiety and I can't remember the last time I had a panic attack. Interestingly enough I haven't developed a tolerance to the daytime drowsiness produced by it.
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