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Posted by Ruuudy on June 5, 2016, at 22:26:29
Ok,,, I'll open up the floor for comments now that you've all had the opportunity to read up on this device.
Rudy
Posted by Toph on June 6, 2016, at 10:47:01
In reply to Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by Ruuudy on June 5, 2016, at 22:26:29
I wonder if it is effective with dysthymia. Also, is there a list of contraindications somewhere?
Posted by Ruuudy on June 6, 2016, at 12:32:14
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator » Ruuudy, posted by Toph on June 6, 2016, at 10:47:01
I'm wodering too, Toph.
I did read on their website where you can continue to take your medications while using the device.
Posted by PeterMartin on June 6, 2016, at 13:06:21
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by Ruuudy on June 6, 2016, at 12:32:14
I dunno. I had a bizarre pdoc in the mid 00s who let me borrow a TMS type device which may have been similar. It looked like headphones w/ two metal plates instead of speakers. You'd put it on your head and the metal parts behind your ears. It'd kinda mildy shock you for 15min or so. I didn't get much out of it.
Even if that wasn't the same thing it seems like this company is paying a lot to fight the FDA from making them do more clinical trials:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_Wallace_Laboratories
I don't trust it to be honest....
Posted by jonhed on June 6, 2016, at 18:48:16
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by PeterMartin on June 6, 2016, at 13:06:21
I get suspicious when they show the Duracell batteries to the camera.
I think it's to much money to be made in this industry..That's just me..
Posted by jonhed on June 6, 2016, at 18:50:42
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by jonhed on June 6, 2016, at 18:48:16
But i can be wrong, maybe i'm just to conspiratorial..
Posted by Hugh on June 9, 2016, at 8:58:59
In reply to Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by Ruuudy on June 5, 2016, at 22:26:29
I haven't tried this device, but I've tried a similar device, a Sota Bio Tuner. You might find this thread interesting:
Posted by Horse on June 9, 2016, at 12:11:35
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by Hugh on June 9, 2016, at 8:58:59
I so much resent needing to go to a provider for tratments like this. The price of the device would likely put it out of reach, but I would like the option :)
Alpha Stim had a similar affect as in anxiety, (I had a panic attack in my provider's office!), except I never sensed any shift in depression.
I don't know how the Fisher-Wallace differs from the Alpha Stim. I think I had something I needed to wet sponges for. That wasn't Alpha was it? I think that was something for
Posted by jonhed on June 11, 2016, at 6:51:04
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by Hugh on June 9, 2016, at 8:58:59
Thanks for the info! I will read it more thoroughly later today and look into it.
But i get anxious just thinking about shocking your brain and such things..
Not just conspiratorial. in fact very little.
I't just that i have OCD to and when i think about that feeling of having pressure in your skull (i don't know if it is anywhere near the feeling you get from tms or that sort of thing), i get nauseous and it hurts in my whole body, just from the thought...My psychiatrist insisting on TMS, but i can't even handle the thought of it.
If i'm unlucky it will turn out to be the worst thing i ever have done for my hypochondria, and it's pretty bad as it is now..
Have someone here experienced relief from this sort of things?
kind regards J
Posted by Hugh on June 12, 2016, at 9:31:43
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by jonhed on June 11, 2016, at 6:51:04
> My psychiatrist insisting on TMS, but i can't even handle the thought of it.
> Have someone here experienced relief from this sort of things?Standard TMS penetrates 1.5 cm into the brain, while Brainsway Deep TMS penetrates 6 or 7 cm. johnLA wrote this detailed thread about his experiences with Deep TMS:
Posted by Ninja on June 13, 2016, at 5:27:59
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator » jonhed, posted by Hugh on June 12, 2016, at 9:31:43
> > My psychiatrist insisting on TMS, but i can't even handle the thought of it.
> > Have someone here experienced relief from this sort of things?
>
> Standard TMS penetrates 1.5 cm into the brain, while Brainsway Deep TMS penetrates 6 or 7 cm. johnLA wrote this detailed thread about his experiences with Deep TMS:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20140717/msgs/1069147.html
>
Hi, I don't understand why you are so frightened from the thought about deep TMS. It is very easy procedure almost without side effects, it is covered by most inssurance companies and the results are very good. If you suffer so much from depression without much help from drugs, this is your choice to become happy and healty again.
I suggest you to read this article and the comments:
http://www.scibabe.com/happyhelmet/
Also you can find here a clinic next to your location:
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1084780#
Posted by Ninja on June 13, 2016, at 5:35:16
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator » jonhed, posted by Hugh on June 12, 2016, at 9:31:43
> > My psychiatrist insisting on TMS, but i can't even handle the thought of it.
> > Have someone here experienced relief from this sort of things?
>
> Standard TMS penetrates 1.5 cm into the brain, while Brainsway Deep TMS penetrates 6 or 7 cm. johnLA wrote this detailed thread about his experiences with Deep TMS:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20140717/msgs/1069147.html
>
Hi, I don't understand why you are so frightened from the thought about deep TMS. It is very easy procedure almost without side effects, it is covered by most inssurance companies and the results are very good. If you suffer so much from depression without much help from drugs, this is your choice to become happy and healty again.
I suggest you to read this article and the comments:
http://www.scibabe.com/happyhelmet/
Also you can find here a clinic next to your location:
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1084780#
Posted by Ninja on June 13, 2016, at 5:59:50
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator » Hugh, posted by Ninja on June 13, 2016, at 5:35:16
> > > My psychiatrist insisting on TMS, but i can't even handle the thought of it.
> > > Have someone here experienced relief from this sort of things?
> >
> > Standard TMS penetrates 1.5 cm into the brain, while Brainsway Deep TMS penetrates 6 or 7 cm. johnLA wrote this detailed thread about his experiences with Deep TMS:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20140717/msgs/1069147.html
> >
> Hi, I don't understand why you are so frightened from the thought about deep TMS. It is very easy procedure almost without side effects, it is covered by most inssurance companies and the results are very good. If you suffer so much from depression without much help from drugs, this is your choice to become happy and healty again.
> I suggest you to read this article and the comments:
> http://www.scibabe.com/happyhelmet/
> Also you can find here a clinic next to your location:
> https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1084780#
>Furthermore, for your OCD you can try Brainsway's helmet in a clinic that give it off lable (it has CE - Europe FDA) but without inssurance coverage or through a clinc that take part in their multicenter trial on OCD. Look here for a clinic:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02229903
They are going to finish the trial during this year, and hopfuly will get FDA approval on the begining of the next year.
Best Regards
Posted by Mary GG on June 15, 2016, at 0:26:46
In reply to Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, posted by Ruuudy on June 5, 2016, at 22:26:29
I know next to nothing about the Fisher-Wallace Stimulator and perhaps this is an extremely stupid question but if I've already tried ECT unsuccessfully.. should I assume this FW Stimulator will be ineffective for me? Considering it uses only a fraction of the currents used during ECT... Maybe I just answered my own question
Since I'm on the topic has anyone had succes with TMS after unsuccessfully trying ECT? I know very little about TMS but it has been suggested to me by my doctor. I'm aware they work differently I'm just looking for any feedback.
Posted by Ninja on June 15, 2016, at 6:54:24
In reply to Re: Fisher-Wallace Stimulator + TMS after ECT?, posted by Mary GG on June 15, 2016, at 0:26:46
> I know next to nothing about the Fisher-Wallace Stimulator and perhaps this is an extremely stupid question but if I've already tried ECT unsuccessfully.. should I assume this FW Stimulator will be ineffective for me? Considering it uses only a fraction of the currents used during ECT... Maybe I just answered my own question
>
> Since I'm on the topic has anyone had succes with TMS after unsuccessfully trying ECT? I know very little about TMS but it has been suggested to me by my doctor. I'm aware they work differently I'm just looking for any feedback.Hi, I really doesn't know anything about the Fisher-Wallace Stimulator, but I know allot on deep TMS.
There is ongoing study now in Sweden that compare deep TMS to ECT, but we don't have results yet. However, there are allot testimonials of patients who had ECT treatment without success, but had a great success with deep TMS.
Here are few links:
http://www.scibabe.com/happyhelmet/
read also the comments below.Interesting interview : http://www.brainsway.com/press_release/deep-tms-we-have-more-effective-outcomes-psychiatrists-perspective-deep-tms-interview
More links here:(Patients how have tried deep TMS after ECT failure):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7skUupVcXUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufRMBIloHvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvwGMcB6lYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmPlHD_3Rr0Please refer to this map and look for a clinic next to your home:
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1084780#
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