Posted by samplemethod on May 25, 2003, at 9:46:22
In reply to Re: Hi, I'm new!! - Introduction - NADH was a bitch , posted by Caleb462 on May 24, 2003, at 20:36:25
Thanks for your input guys.
To caleb, i think i might put off trying the l-theanine till i hear more reports about it.
Anyway it is my day after the NADH 5mg. Today seems less irritable. Though not much better.
ANyway I went out and bout nicotinamide today and also nicotinic acid.... which i actually had to get as a rx, but the pharmacist was cool about it.
I tried 250 mg of nicotinamide, was a little nicer afterwards yet still a wired /headache feeling from NADH was still lingering. I got no flush from nicotinamide. What I did notice is that when I took it just before lunch when i felt kinda hungry.... it really reduced my hunger and I didn't want to eat.... this continued till about dinner time.... I believe the effect upon me was the blood sugar regulation that some studies attribute to nicotinamide.... any even at dinner i didnt binge, which I believe I would have done, according to the deficit in calories I accumulated through the day. (or another reason could be mild stimulant affect creating the appetite suppresant)I think I will try nicotinic acid tomorrow in the morning and see how it goes. I am looking for the mellowed out feeling that people attribute to nicotinamide that apparently is induced in some, but in Rons case, he gets this from nicotinic acid.
In terms of diagnosis, which Ron questioned me about, I would say I am in a constant very mild depressive state(which i dunno if you would call it depressed at all), and I have mild-medium anxiety/social anxiety, and occasionally I get a mild manic state where I feel quite good and confident, and socially adept...but then that chills out, and I just go back to the mild depressive and mild-medium anxiety/social anxiety state. I would not say I go bipolar in that I would go low after my mild manic phase.....
Actually my mild manic phase isnt really manic at all, I would call it more feeling more confident and having more energy, but I dont really exhibit any real hyper behaviour like doing heaps of things, talking incessantly, sleeping little etc.... I would like to hope my mild manic phase is moreso my normal well self. ANyway that so called manic phase I talk about also doesnt go in any particular cycle. It just seems to come about when I am tackling life well, having fun, and connecting with people.
So what would you guys call me :) I dont think its anything real drastic... my life seems to work fine (apart from procrastination), it's just a bitch sometimes, and Im not as comfortable with people as I'd like to be.
ALso one other thing I'd like to mention is the feeling I got from NADH, was the feeling I get from 300mg tyrosine on an empty stomach. i.e. headache, stimulated (but not nicely feel-good stimulated like on amphetamines), and a little more anxious. I dont do the empty tyrosine thing, but I find if i have a protein powder with it, it takes the edge of the bad effects and ultimately makes me feel a bit more awake, but doesnt really make me feel anyway nicely stimulated as I feel on amphetamines.
anyway that'll do.. thanks guys
> > Hi guys,
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> > Stumbled on your site. Found it very interesting, and the type of info I am interested in. Thanks for all of your interesting and contributive posts that I have read so far.
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> > Anyway I have a small background in trying supplements to enhance feeling of wellbeing. I guess this was spurred on by the discovery that some thing so small (rec drugs) can affect your world so much(unfortunately not indefinately).
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> > I would call myself mildy depressed and mildly anxious at times as a general guide, however have never really go to bad stages, lets say medium level dep and anxiety. However I have had pretty bad comedowns after rec drugs. I havent done rec drugs for like 2 years, and plan not too either. I drink here and there though.
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> > However as all people have, I have been pissed off with life, people, myself, parents etc, and I've noticed that certain substances can affect my mood, and have tried diff supplements to make my view of the world nicer :)
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> > I havent really stuck with anything at all as a supplement. None really have done much.
> > Havent tried any rx drugs, but im interested in trying tramadol( only cos i might be able to get it).. and selegiline if I can get it.
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> > have tried inositol... that was ok... I got pretty flushed on it, and doses of 1 gram( i never tried doses of over 2g) used to make me feel smacked out, but it never really made me feel good and ready to take on the world. Now i notice, when i try inositol at say 1 gram I get a little headache and get somewhat stimulated. not that nice of a stimulation though so i dont use it.
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> > got a really really nice buzz off 100mg( like MDMA) of ALA the first but that wore off after 2 days, and now i take it regularly for fitness purposes, but i doesnt give me any type of high.
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> > recently have been taking like over 20-30grams of fish oil, and i think that somewhat did something, but seems to not anymore or anything real special.
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> > right now im feeling ok(average), just wanna be a bit more stimulated, and a bit more lovey.
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> > 5-htp doesnt really do much for me at all... anyone know if there is something else you can take with it so it can actually affect your serotonin levels in your brain.
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> > A-L-C did nothing nice for me.
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> > Anyway i bought NADH yesterday, (after reading some posts, especially Ron's trial). I tried it today (5mg). It flushed me, it gave me a headache that lasted over 8 hours, it stimulated me in the morning, but it didnt really feel nice, made me a little more anxious i guess, or just wired. I guess you could also say I was irritable... Ron says he got that way after weeks of taking it, so i dunno. Anyone have any thoughts on this... other ways to take it? other things to take it with to make it work better....im thinking of trying TMG as Ron has suggested. though i dunno why that would work to make it less stimulative and less irritating??
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> > Next on my list to try is L-theanine, and nicotinamide(btw i enjoy flushing)
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> I ordered some L-theanine fairly recently, and it was a waste of money. NO effect, absolutely nothing. I even tried taking 400 mg (the max. reccomended dose is 200 mg) and still, nothing. Granted, this is just my experience, and it may work for others. For me, however, it was a BIG dissapointment.
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> > Anyway, anyone have any thoughts or suggestions about what I have said, or can relate to me? I look forward to chatting with y'all.
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