Posted by Ron Hill on June 16, 2003, at 20:37:37
In reply to Re: NADH question-niacin » Ron Hill, posted by Ritch on June 15, 2003, at 14:26:13
Hey Mitch,
> Thanks Ron, I think I am going to give the niacinamide (or niacin) a try first. I haven't been able to find ENADA NADH here where I live (there's ONE more big natural supp. store I haven't checked yet). I found NADH tablets, but they were a different brand and they weren't enteric coated (or at least they didn't say they were). Also, they were VERY expensive.
The enteric-coated ENADA NADH is kind of expensive (retail price of about $1/day at a dose of 5 mg/day), but it would not cost very much for just one box as a trial. Further, as Larry pointed out, my 2.5 mg once or twice a week maintenance dose is very affordable. I buy it on-line at the following link. After the positive results of my initial trial, I decided to order six boxes of the 2.5 mg enteric-coated tablets because of the price break associated with buying multiple boxes on the iherb site.
http://www.iherb.com/enada.html
NADH is not the same as ENADA NADH. "ENADA" is the trade name registered to the Menuco Corporation for their patented product. ENADA NADH is the only stabilized and orally absorbable form of NADH currently available. It is licensed to many different distributors so several brand names (GNC, Source Naturals, etc) of ENADA NADH are on the market. Prior to the development of the enteric-coated ENADA NADH tablets, NADH could only be given intravenously because stomach acid would rapidly destroy the delicate molecule. Like Larry, I also currently use the Source Naturals brand. However, it is my understanding that the active ingredient is the same in all brands so long as it says ENADA somewhere on the box.
> I'm going to be heading into a depression sometime by the end of this month/beginning of July and was wondering if it would work without taking WB (which is the current plan).
Wow, you have the forecasting of your cycling nailed down to a science. Can you also predict the weather? Refresh my memory, is your depression the atypical variety? If so, I think a trial of ENADA NADH is worthwhile for you. As I mentioned previously, I started out taking the sublingual ENADAlert NADH and then switched to the enteric-coated product. However, I have run into people that do not respond to the enteric coated tablets but do obtain favorable results with the sublingual formulation. YMMV.
> I want to avoid the WB because *it* causes irritability and sleep disruption. Who knows--maybe I can sneak a pinch of WB this summer without being irritable with the niacin thrown in... Did you have any sleep disruption on the NADH?
No, but I take it first thing in the morning and I follow the directions on the box. As an aside, when I first started taking it, I felt like it would have caused some hypomania if I hadn’t had my moodstabilizer fully in place first.-- Ron
Here are some links discussing Enada NADH (you may have already seen these):
http://www.healthwell.com/hnbreakthroughs/mar98/nadh.cfm?path=hw
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=8101444&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9247090&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=9013405&form=6&db=m&Dopt=b
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,10047,00.html#Cautions
http://www.nadh.com/site7/SYSact20.htm#Top
http://www.nadh.com/site7/RSdprs05.htm#Top
http://www.smart-drugs.com/article-JamesSouth-NADH.htm
http://www.nadh-priceinfo.org/
http://qualitycounts.com/fpnadh.html
http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/id/3118/T/Both/
http://www.immunesupport.com/library/powersearch2.cfm (Note: enter “NADH” as keyword)
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