Posted by femlite on September 18, 2003, at 0:42:19
In reply to GHB *is* addictive, posted by utopizen on September 14, 2003, at 13:06:51
> Actually, GHB (a.k.a. Sodium Oxybate) *is* addictive. It caused Tardive Dyskinsia. Its tolerance leads to escalation of doses, which can quickly lead to respiratory depression (heart failure, or coma if you're lucky).
Dont you think a large percentage of meds (tolerance aside) have severe and possibly deadly side effects if abused?
>And withdrawl last for months
This is true of most psychoactive drugs. For most people, titration is nes. or debilitating side effects ensue.
> GHB is addicitive if it is abused.
> Moreover, Ultram *is* proven to cause withdrawl symptoms. You want to try to avoid any drug out there that causes withdrawl symptoms, if you can, even if it seems to take years to find one that will.I really do appreciate your concern but
Ive quit Ultram and opiods cold with a few days of achiness and no other symptoms, because as you said few doctors will consider such meds for depression. And I am seeking alternatives.I am on 200mg of Wellbutrin SR now, and the side effects are kickin my behind. Opiods side effects were nearly non-existant, not to metion I was happy and my libido was increased. Nada on the WB.
> I can't imagine anyone being able to exaust so many possibilities that they're even considering Oxycotin for depression. I'd doubt many doctors would consider it before ECT if the case is actually that extreme to begin with.
Many people have discovered the mood elevating (ie.. out depression) benifits of opiods before ever trying ADs.
The addiction advisories you issue about ultram and opiods use seem unsuppor tive.
(not unsupported)
There are many on this site who have recieved bennifit from opiods, have not succumbed to addiction, are concered about tolerance, and waiting for research to find a means of affecting tolerance and hence addiction "potential".It inhibits serious discussion,to find oneself compared with drugstore looters and drug addicts.
IMHO, the media only prints what is sensational (drugstore robberies) and even more senstional and expected, is to add that such drugs "are highly addictive". And thus discouraging real research to take place on the potential of opiods and their use in depression.
The abuse of GHB in Europe and the date rape scandal in the US, prevented GHB from marketability for a long time.
It seems as if some people took advantage of the bad press and found a means of monetary gain in the same breath. (Maybe you understand what happened better than I, thats just the way it seemes to me).I waited a week to write this in hopes that I could convey a more meaningful and less impassioned reply.
I hope Ive been sucessful
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