Posted by btnd on May 29, 2004, at 13:49:16
In reply to Re: GHB(xyrem) vs. ALCOHOL » Michael Bell, posted by zeugma on May 28, 2004, at 21:01:16
> Have you never tried alcohol? As a social phobic, I find tolerance to the anti-phobic qualities of alcohol builds up frighteningly quickly-.......and for me at least, alcohol is a promise that never really delivers.
As a social-phobic I never actually tried using Alcohol as a "treatment" - I've only experienced it from the usage "from-time-to-time". And it was very-effective for SP/SA there. ALTHOUGH i need to say that GHB, combined with amphetamines, is more-effective for SP/SA, less toxic (alcohol is 1 of the most toxic substances, even more toxic than 95% of all illicit drugs!), GHB is actually healthy - it is good for sleep, narcolepsy, lowers cholesterol, is an anti-aging med: slows down heart-beat + lowers temperature + increases growth-hormone levels up to 16x (the most potent HGH agonist!), increases libido + the "longevity" of sex (aphrodisiac, the most potent three are: Yohimbine, GHB and Selegiline ; oh and Cocaine). I might forgot few things about GHB but if I recall - I'll post. Oh, it's great anti-depressant too ;-)
> I seem to have a pretty bad case of narcolepsy. Its anti-cataplectic actions can be mimicked by TCA's and by Strattera, and its anti-social-phobic- though not pro-social- effects might be in the same league as clonazepam's (wouldn't it be great to have these two go head to head in a study?).
In head-to-head studies I would think that clonazepam would be:
- more-addictive long-term
- the same as far as dissolving the social-anxieties
- THE MORE PRO-SOCIAL than clonazepam definitely
- would be beneficial for health, which cannot be said about benzos
> I probably will never take it for my narcolepsy or social phobia, so I will probably never get to compare the two. I have heard that it is one of the most unpredictable of molecules.
For narcolepsy it is very predictable. Read up www.xyrem.us . If you suffer from severe narcolepsy I'm 100% GHB (Xyrem) is THE MOST effective treatment for it, out of all meds available on the market.For social-phobia you need to watch your doses - not take more than (for me) 3g in less than 2 hours, and 2.5hrs-3hrs is the best for spacing the doses. YMMV
>But I also cannot imagine alcohol 'working' for social phobia. Are there any social phobics who got more than momentary relief from their SP, before they wound up on the floor?I cannot imagine either, that alcohol could be used long-term for SP/SA. And I'd like to bump the last q: Are there any social phobics who got more than momentary relief from their SP, before they wound up on the floor?
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