Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 7:06:22
In reply to Re: Bye Bye Ambien, Hello Restoril » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 16:10:02
> > Second, about long-term use. There is the standard "anti-benzo" policy that I keep seeing in other aspects of benzodiazepine therapies being applied to temazepam as a sleep aid. I.e. "only for short-term therapy, not to exceed 4-6 weeks". Bollocks.
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> Isn't that similar to the situation with Ambien?Ya, and some doctors and some HMOs treat that as "the facts". Short-term, now go away.
> Some people can take it long-term but others do develop tolerance (though the proportion of people developing tolerance is less that with the benzos). Correct?
Ya, it's quite similar. Probably means there are different disorders with similar symptoms, though. Or it could just be luck of the draw.
> I took trazadone for sleep for a short while too. The nausea and grogginess just never went away. It was horrible stuff for me.Horrible stuff. I once did a straight trial of it as an antidepressant. Something like 300 mg/day. Whoa.
> Regarding your experience with Restoril and SJW as well as my experience with maca, I just don't understand how something can effect the same person so differently when tried a little while later. If the stuff stopped working the first time you took it and then you try it again at a later date and it doesn't work well, I could understand it. But when it works fine, you stop and then start again, it should work the same way damn it!Well, I like your rules just fine.
> It just doesn't make sense to me.
Me either.
> It's hard enough finding things that work but to have them not work again for no reason.... it's like we're always trying to hit a moving target.
But, we are.
> > So, right now I take 30 mg temazepam QHS, along with 25 mg trimipramine (a sedating tricyclic), also QHS, and .3-.4 mg melatonin. Seems to work OK most nights, but I wish I got the temazepam effect I started out with. It was gloriously restorative. Miraculously so.
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> What about the taurine? Are you still taking that?Not daily, certainly. As needed. If I get that brain-cramp sort of feeling, I taurinate. Works great. Just have to watch the clock, and dose accordingly. Despite the fact it suppresses activating neurotransmitters, it activates my cognition, and adversely affects sleep.
> Also, what is QHS?
Latin for "in the hour of sleep". (Taking Latin out of the high school curriculum was very short-sighted, IMHO, but I am a geek.)
http://www.uspharmd.com/rxsig.htm
> I'm kind of surprised that you took the Remeron. It must be hard dealing wtih doctors when you probably know more than most of them out there...
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> KaraI wasn't given a choice. It was Remeron or nothing. I already knew what it was like to suddenly go off temazepam (rebound insomnia; long story), so that was kind of hung over my head like a knife, eh?
Well, I know more about *some things* than a lot of doctors do.
Lar
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