Posted by Vincent_QC on April 18, 2009, at 7:54:54
In reply to Re: Gym ( fitness) and cardio exercise = Panic attacks, posted by desolationrower on April 17, 2009, at 23:24:20
> well, to warm up, just do maybe 5 minutes on a bike, and then i do 1-2 sets each of pulldowns, bench press, and squat, with about half of the weight i would use for a real set. then i do a few stretches in between sets while i'm catching my breath. stretching itself isn't the same as warming up. warming up is to prevent injuries, and stretching is what you do if your range of motion isn't sufficient.
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> for breathing, main thing is don't hold your breath (this can slightly increase amount you can lift, but also give you an aneurism...), breath in or in and out both on the part of the lift where the weight is going down (eccentric, or where muscle is lengthening), then when pushing breath out through the movement.
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> also, i think using nicotine patch/lozenge would be good, even if you don't do anything to try to quit. it would probably make it easier to reduce how many smokes you take each day, without doing anything to cause withdrawal.
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> also i don't think theres any reason that MAOIs and arbs/ACEi are not to be taken together. yes avapro is one. beta-blocker can cause soem people to be depressed. also probably cause more orthostatic hypotension problems.
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> yeah i think meditation work could help a lot with the kind of anxiety you notice. i don't really have any good links handy, i read a few books, which doesn't really help on the internet....
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> with the nutritionist, tell her you do well on protein diet, but try to figure out a version that is more sustainable. probably some lean meats/fish and nuts would be important, and some vegetables of course. probably with the surgery, getting grains or beans and fibre isn't really the best idea. and working out some meals so theres variety and something you can stick to easier, when you hit times like autumn .
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> you're a very affable guy
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> -d/rHi d/r ;-)
Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it !!!
Well, I do exactly what you told to do... I start very low on the bike, just to prepare my muscles for the work... I do some muscles exercises but at a low weight also... I just lack the part of stretching muscles for now, I don't know what to do to stretch my muscles...normally you do this before starting the gym...on the carpet on the floor...
I also learn last night how to breath... I try to don't hold my breath but that's not easy, i'm a lot hypervigileant with the environement and people around me so I tend to forget to breath... I try to breath in where the weight is going down and breath out when I lift the weight... but I always forget to breath at some point...so I begin to feel a lot of dizness...
Ok...if I ask for avapro, or the one with the hydrochlorothiazide inside, Avalide, since I do a lot of water retention, it will be good for me? My dad was switch to 150mg of Avalide, same as Avapro but with a diuretic inside... Is it dangerous to take a pill of 150mg of Avalide (Dangerous for low blood pression)if my normal blood pressure is in the range off BP:130-150/80-90 with a Pulse rate of 90??? I don't want to fall into hypotension...since that's not more good than hypertension...
And for the Beta-blockant...I know it's linked to depression... but it will not help me? since the heart increasing pulse rate make me panic most of the time and overfocused on it? beta blocker are good for situation anxiety or situation performance no? It will maybe help me to stop focusing on the heart beat?
For the interraction with the MAOI, it's write everywhere...never mix a beta blocker or an ace inhibitor with them...the MAOI will make the beta or the ace more powerfull...causing more orthostatic hypotension... I'm a lot sensible to the hypotension effect also...On the Parnate, I had severals hypotension episodes, to the point that I had photophobia and I was unable to walk or open a light...I had a nightmare night where I had to cry to my mom to help me and bring me the box of salt with water to help my blood pressure to be a little bit more normal... I Was unable to get up of my bed...I was so weak... I totally freak that time... I Think I stop the Parnate the day after...It was so scary...anyway...
For the nicotine patch? It's also dangerous to smooke when you use them no? I smooke around 25-30 cigarettes day... I swear the god I try to stop...I try 2 times last year...I try the new med to stop call "Champix" in the Canada...not working... I try the patch...I try without anything... I think that's too much for me... Maybe the patch without quit smooking will help to reduce the amount of cigarettes I smooke each day...if you think it's safe to smooke and having a patch, maybe it's worth the try?... Also, the patch, while i'm at the gym, I have to remove it no? The sweating will make the nicotine to be release in the body too much no?
Last question here... Do you know the med call "SABRIL" (Vigabatrin)? I don't think they have it in the USA...Some studies conclude it's a good anti panic agent (vigabatrin reduced cholecystokinin tetrapeptide-induced symptoms of panic disorder, in addition to elevated cortisol and ACTH levels, in healthy volunteers)... It's an irreversible suicide inhibitor of gamma-aminobutyric acid transaminase (GABA-T), the enzyme responsible for the catabolism of GABA, which increases the level of GABA in the synapses. Do you think it's more good than the Lyrica or the Gabapentin?
I will have to find a solution cause for 240 $ each month, I cant afford going to the gym and ending to not going because I cant augment my cardio exercises time and because I will not be able to stop having panic attacks... I prefer to cancel the membership and buy a bike and doing this oustide alone or whit a friend...it will be less expensive like this!!! I do a lot of bike at summer time before, back in 2002 until 2005... I stop because the bike broke and I Didn't had money to buy a new one at the time...but well...that's a big decision... The gym will help me not only for the cardio but for the muscles also...with the weight I loose, it was so fast that I lost almost all the muscles in my arms...the bottom part of my body is ok...my muscles stay in good shape...but the upper body was completly destroy...Since riding the bycicle outside will not help my upper body muscles...what I do???
I'm torn between cancel the gym and doing bike outside...it will help me to cope with the heart effect in a less "social" environement...and maybe in the fall I will be able to return to the gym and I will be more well prepare to face the gym environement???
What do you think about that idea???
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