Posted by bleauberry on July 26, 2009, at 18:04:57
In reply to Nortriptyline Bust, posted by bleauberry on July 26, 2009, at 5:21:03
Well, still alive. Thought I would answer a few questions while I still am.
Other meds that worsened depression tremendously starting with the worst ones at the top of the list working down to the least worse, but all deserving of hospital time or suicide compared to baseline:
Wellbutrin
Adderall
Cymbalta
Lexapro
Lamictal
Nortriptyline
5HTP
Zoloft
Paxil
Zyprexa
Seroquel
Trazadone
Klonopin
Abilify
Amisulpride
Memantine
Depakote
St Johns Wort
Xanax
Serzone
SAMePositive:
Ritalin. Drawback: Leads to rage and paranoia within a few days.Doxycycline+Ultra low dose Hydrocortisone (one day miracle of total remission)
Ocassional DMSA heavy metal chelation (usually 3 out of 6 days are remarkable improvements followed by quick deterioration)
Neutral:
Deprenyl. Drawback: Leads to irritible rage, sexual dysfunction, and hellish body odor of strong ammonia.
Parnate. Tiny dose. Drawback: Extremely sore tight calf muscles, hurt bad even sitting, hard to walk, no appetite. Something scary neurological going on here.Remeron: Highest dose was 15mg years ago as add-on to Prozac when it used to be tolerable. Was a good sleep aid. Don't know what it would do on its own.
Milnacipran. Good start, but the side effects were way too intense to get to a therapeutic dose.Not tried:
Buspar
Effexor (No, trust my instincts, won't do it)
Lithium
Risperdal (Very distant maybe, but really a no)
Ziprasidone (No, trust my instincts, won't do it)
NardilMaybe I'm one of those people that would do well with Ritalin and something else soft to balance it(but NOT an antipsychotic, aint going to that town ever again)
Things on the watch list:
1. Remeron solo. I generally do not view highly of this drug, but it never hurt me bad except withdrawals were hard and prolonged.
2. Remeron + ??? (Milnacipran maybe???) (and Ritalin???) HHmmm. That has possibilities.
3. Buspar solo (saw at askapatient.com it worked for someone's sensitive treatment resistant depression by surprise. I like its receptor targets, despite the drug's poor reputation)
4. A supplement called Deproloft. It has many of the natural ingredients I have tried, but all in very small amounts and all synergistic, versus the solo trials I have done.
5. I guess Nardil is a distant maybe, but at this moment the hard pharmaceuticals have me terrified.To me it looks pretty obvious. The symptoms are caused by Borellia, the infectious organism called Lyme disease. How exactly, don't know. I just keep thinking there has to be a way to hit the right receptors or the right neurotransmitter to bridge the roadblock.
Somehow sulfur is also tied into it, as anything with sulfur gives the rock-hard tight extremely painful calf neurologic crippling (DMSA, Parnate, SAMe, all antipsychotics). Somehow anything with fairly strong noradrenergic action produces that aweful unique odd pungent very nose-biting body odor (ammonia), with the lone exception of Milnacipran.
Heavy metals were confirmed 2 years ago on provoked urine lab tests. Lyme is all but sure, with symptoms, history, several bites, and the most telling band on the Western Blot was my band 93, which is "the DNA and genetic material of Borellia".
Longterm is obvious. Gotta do antibiotics and antifungals and periodic low dose frequent dose chelations. The problem with all of them is the vicious Herx reactions, which take someone with no elbow room in the depression department and sink them deeper. I need depression support to endure the treatments I need. Most drugs we all know of are far worse than my Herx reactions. I feel so trapped.
The suicide rate of the Lyme population is about 35%. I can see why.
Whatever damage has been done, whether some environmental insult, genetic, Lyme or whatever, has left me in a situation of sensitivities to foods and chemicals, and with paradoxical reactions being the norm rather than the exception. With that in mind, maybe I need something that almost always causes someone to be depressed. That just might work.
I am brainstorming.
All ideas welcome.
Maybe will be back tomorrow, no guarantees. Goodbye Nortriptyline.
poster:bleauberry
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