Posted by SLS on October 30, 2010, at 15:47:07
In reply to Re: Depression HURTS » SLS, posted by 49er on October 30, 2010, at 9:27:10
> Regarding Dr. Stahl and drug companies, click on this link:
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> http://www.cspinet.org/cgi-bin/integrity.cgi
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> That is not cherry picked as those are cold hard facts.Why do you single out Stephen Stahl? Does he participate in the system any differently than most other researchers? If you don't like the system, that's one thing. If you would like to accuse Stephen Stahl of a breach of ethics, I would like for you to provide the details of that "cold hard fact". After all, the blogger forgot to do this.
Try looking up a few other doctors in your database. Do you see anything different between the listing for Stahl and the other names working in clinical psychopharmacology?
The first name I entered, Frederick Goodwin, came up with quite a few affiliations. Perhaps you could prove an association between Goodwin and a breach of ethics. He has certainly been around long enough to have been "caught" being naughty. He hasn't been. So, in what ways has Goodwin been singularly naughty? After all, he does appear in your database. That database is a listing of facts. It is not a determination of culpability of illegal or unethical behavior.
If psychiatric researchers are to refuse funding for their work, perhaps we should increase the funding of the NIH by a factor of 100 to offset the loss.
If you don't like the system, perhaps you could devise an alternative. How would you fund research? Now, that would be a worthy issue to spend your energies on. Capitalism isn't always idyllic.
Perhaps you can present here for us an act that is a specific breach of ethics that you feel Stahl is guilty of that Goodwin and the other researchers are not. What research conclusions of Stahl do you feel have been influenced by money?
Perhaps you can elucidate for us how Stahl's liking of lurasidone is tantamount to unethical. Quite simply, as the blog suggests, "Lurasidone is simply another antipsychoticno more, no less"
Is it unethical for Stahl to like lurasidone? After all, he is entitled to his professional opinions.
Try Andrew Nierenberg in the database. Then try looking him up in Google. How would you go about impugning his reputation as you did with Stahl? Your presentation of that database proves nothing more than the state of the system. It is not a commentary on the quality and validity of the scientific and clinical work produced by it.
The blog you presented is nothing more than intimations rather than a detailing of facts. I found the tone of piece to be melodramatic and self-serving as an editorial. The author would rather spend his time and energies attempting to perform performing character assasination. Unfortunately, he tries to do this without a weapon. He says that he likes Stahl's transparency. Fortunately, so too is the unsubstantiated agenda of the blogger.
I believe that it would be instructive for you to answer at least some of the questions I posed to you in the passages above.
By the way, pain is often a symptom of affective disorders. It most often disappears as the depression remits. Now, where were we?
- Scott
Some see things as they are and ask why.
I dream of things that never were and ask why not.
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