Posted by lamictal on October 30, 2010, at 18:04:30
In reply to Re: Depression HURTS » SLS, posted by 49er on October 30, 2010, at 9:27:10
> <<Yes. I'm sure that Dr. Stahl, being a trained medical doctor, embraces the idea that, invariably, all pain is caused by depression. NOT.>>
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> Just because someone is a trained medical doctor doesn't mean they don't have biases. This is true of non psychiatrists also.
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> << I invite you to read the literature you refer to. The word "depression" appears nowhere in the text. It is unfortunate that the mentally ill should not be treated seriously when they have physical complaints. This might be the result of depressed patients presenting with pain but without any other organic condition to be found. Instead of recognizing that pain could be a symptom of depression, they are sent home without a diagnosis and without treatment. I believe this is precisely what Dr. Stahl would like to see remedied. That's all.>>
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> Fair point.
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> Regarding Dr. Stahl and drug companies, click on this link:
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> http://www.cspinet.org/cgi-bin/integrity.cgi
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> That is not cherry picked as those are cold hard facts.
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> He is connected to several drugs companies financially.
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> No, that doesn't mean that someone is necessarily dishonest but I think it is fair to point out when evaluating someone's work if they have a financial conflict.
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> That is no different from the folks on this board who rightfully pointed out that one of the critics of the Star D study also had a financial conflict. Just like their remarks weren't disparaging, either are mine.
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> 49er
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>I'm new here but your stance has me kind of confused. I can't take an anti med stance because lamictal gave me back my life. But why the anti drug agenda. Did they not work for you or you had bad sides? Well they worked for me. But that only means they work for some and not for others with all shades of grey inbetween.
But I have to agree with Scott on this one. We live in system called capatalism. People hire us to do a job and we get paid. That doesn't mean I'm dishonest. I keep seeing this conclusion that if one participates on this system that one's work is flawed. So if his work came from a socialist system the work is pure.
I must be missing something. People don't like the system therefore if you participate in it your work is dishonest. NOT true at all. You just can't make that leap.
The guy that wrote the blog participates in the system maybe someone hired him to gun down Stahl.
It's a blog and not a solid scientific study. You need a judge and jury to convict this man of fraud. That's also the system. You just can't say the man wrote a conclusion and got paid for it and therefore the conclusion is invalid. That is libel is it not? Maybe he just doesn't like the man. Maybe he is jealous. Who knows but he's just one man and not judge and jury.
It seems to me from being here that there are some with agendas. That tends to cloud ones judgement because once one takes a particular inflexible stance you have to keep seeing everything that will support that stance and filter out what doesn't support that stance.
The problem with that emotion is one ends up reject what doesn't support that stance. People need to take a step back and ask are their viewpoints so emotionally driven they will no longer allow their minds to be open to some facts that may in well counter what they say is the absolute truth?? One has to think about that and see if that is influencing many of their conslusions.
Just something to dwell on.
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