Posted by zeugma on December 21, 2004, at 20:37:32
In reply to Re: speculations on acetylcholine and NE » zeugma, posted by jujube on December 21, 2004, at 16:50:34
-- The study was interesting. I read it quickly, and will re-read it so that the facts really sink in. No to be morbid (and completely off topic), but what happens to the dogs when the experiments/study are over? I hope they don't have to be put down. For some reason, I can handle the thought of tests being done on rats, but I hate the thought of those poor dogs being subjected to such a thing. I love animals, and am a bleeding heart to boot.
Unfortunately, the dogs were killed. I share your sentiments about them, and while it is tragic that both species (human and dog) are subject to narcolepsy, it is doubly tragic for a narcoleptic dog to be sacrificed in the name of science... the only consolation is that human understanding of narcolepsy is immeasurably aided by studies with dogs. Since I've never had a pet rat, it doesn't faze me as much, either, that rats are routinely sacrificed in pharmacological studies, although it does bother me. The very fact that rats are used so extensively in these studies (their nervous systems in many ways are closer to humans' than, say, cats'- argues for humane treatment of them, since it implies they are able to feel and suffer.
-- At this point, the only stimulant-like med I will be willing to try is Provigil.That's wise, if you're subject to anxiety. Provigil, like virtually every psych med that is not heavily sedating, can be anxiety-provoking on first administration, but its effect becomes anxiety-neutral, or even anxiolytic.
With respect to Crazymeds, I have visited that site a number of times. It's interesting. Question. When Jerod talks about "Mouse's" experience, is he talking about a real mouse that he gives meds too? Or is it a joke and he's talking about his computer mouse? Just something I had wondered.
Mouse is the name of his girlfriend, or ex-girlfriend. It's amusing to think of his having a mouse that tries out all his meds for him- and even more amusing to think of his describing the mouse as calling a drug "icky" and so forth- I suppose a rodent would have better luck finding a 'bipolar-autistic-spazz' (I'm quoting his self-description, and not intending to be derogatory at all) for an owner, who feeds her all sorts of interesting medications then writes down her 'experiences', than being the property of highly sane, dedicated researchers who have no compunctions over 'sacrifice' after feeding the meds. It's something to think about (I would insert a smiley here, but the subject is a little too grim).
> I don't know what to conclude from all this. but if DMAE is working for you, that is fantastic!
-- The combination of DMAE, NADH and Vitex seems to be doing something. I am starting to feel like my old self again. Still hyper and easily distratcted, but, heh, that is really my old self so I can't complain. I hope the combo continues to work because it is such a nice feeling (it's kind of freaking me out - in a good way!).
Sounds good :)
Anyways, take good care of yourself. Until next time.
Tamara
Same here.
-z
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