Posted by JLx on September 15, 2005, at 14:07:34
In reply to Re: Calcium magnesium ratio?, posted by Mistermindmasta on September 14, 2005, at 23:47:05
> > My not very scientific understanding is that if you're deficient in magnesium but getting a lot of calcium, you may not even be getting the benefit of the calcium you're taking/eating because it needs magnesium to work properly. Perhaps a sudden surge in magnesium then may actually increase calcium?
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> That might be possible, too, I didn't think about that. I have read several places that magnesium is necessary for proper calcium utilization.It's a real shame that this message isn't getting out more, both for psychiatric conditions and also for women trying to prevent osteoporosis. Asian countries where the tradition diet is 4 times ours in magnesium, but relatively low in calcium have much less osteopororis than dairy eating Western countries which have the most.
> I cannot take calcium at all. None. I guess I'm hoping I get enough from my diet alone - veggies and alternative grains. But anyway, if I take calcium supps I DEFINITELY feel down, depressed, lethargic, dark feelings. Can't take it. I never understood and still don't understand why I'm so sensitive. Most people with anxiety / depressive disorders cant take calcium and have some sort of metabolic imbalance with the way their body uses calcium. Not the mention that calcium excess in neurons can increase the rate of glutamate induced neurotoxicity... whether too much calcium from supps/diet actually contributes, I don't know.That's what I had understood -- that calcium is an excitotoxin when out of balance. You've probably read this article, if not here it is:
Excitotoxins - the ultimate brainslayer by James South MA
http://smart-drugs.net/ias-excitotoxins.htm
> > It was many months before I felt like that previous calcium overload/magnesium deficient imbalance was righted. And during that time, taking magnesium glycinate primarily, it was not sedating to me. Now, it is, so I have to take it at night.
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> Interesting that you say it's not sedating to you.It is now, but it was not for over a year. Mg glycinate anyway. I don't notice mg malate so much being sedating. I thought that suggested that something took a whole year to calm down to more normal.
> > My other suggestion would be for people to experiment with other kinds of magnesium, such as magnesium malate which feels much less sedating to me. And fiddle with the dose, either up or down.
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> I tried that in the past, sporadically, and don't recall it being too sedating.I'm going to try magnesium orotate next. Just ordered some from Beyond a Century. See previous discussion on uridine on this board, esp. Larry's posts re orotic acid.
The gist of the uridine thread http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20050323/msgs/481903.html began with this article about uridine and fish oil: http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20050325-000002.html
They're trying to come up with a drug, but in looking for a natural alternative, it appears that CDP choline and orotic acid, especially magnesium orotate, may also boost uridine which apparently reduces arachidonic acid.
> > > I just started using Magnesium and I feel kind of out of it... like slow thinking, when I take too much (approx 400mg) at one time. I'm hoping this foggy feeling will go away or turn into a nicer feeling. What do you think? It definitely has acute anxiety reducing properties, just FYI... I definitely recommend it for that.
Hmm...could the magnesium be potentiating the action of something else you're taking?
> BTW, I started supplementing iron today. I've read numerous studies on how it can help cognitive function and fatigue in people who are not even anemic. I don't want to be doctor to myself, but I look at things this way:
I'm sure you know the risks, and you can always go give blood if you become overloaded.
>People who eat high fiber diets often are lower in iron.... so, maybe it'll help my short term memory, since that kinda stinks.
If you don't know already from experience, it only gets worse after 40. ;)
JL
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