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Posted by cubbybear on February 21, 2004, at 1:04:43
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 8, posted by Ilene on February 20, 2004, at 7:28:00
> This is my one-week anniversary and my last day at 20 mg. Tomorrow I will go up to 30 mg.
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I've been keeping a personal journal for about 15 years. Have about 45 volumes. When you emerge from the blackness and re-read your journals a few months later, you'll be able to say, "I never dreamt I'd get through this nightmare, but I did."
It seems to me that the dosing for Marplan and Parnate are comparable in numbers, so it appears that you're still on a pretty low dose. When badly depressed, I can expect good results from the Parnate only at a 40 mg., no less. You still have a few days before you'll get upto therapeutic dose on the Marplan, and then you'll have to be patient until it kicks in. Keep posting day by day. This in itself will help get you through the seemingly never-ending waiting period.
Posted by Ilene on February 21, 2004, at 8:10:28
In reply to Re: MAOI food and drug interactions » Ilene, posted by cubbybear on February 21, 2004, at 0:16:13
> > I keep reading out of date info about what you can and can't eat while taking MAOIs, so here is what I've gleaned. Most of it comes from Psychotropic Drugs Fast Facts, 3rd edition, some from other reading. It's rather North America-centric; apologies to Babblers from furrin' parts.
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> > Aged cheeses are the worst. These include Liederkranz, English Stilton, blue cheese, aged cheddar, brick, mozzarella, Gruyere, Swiss, [I question the mozzarella--good mozzarella is fresh. ]
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> It's very frustrating--sure the list was updated several years ago, but contradictions remain. Like you, I question the listing about mozarella--since I read on another source that fresh mozarella is OK. So long as contradictiions remain, MAOI users will have difficulty deciding what to do or not do in certain instances. I would very much like to try a small pizza in Pizza Hut with only plain mozarella,but still worry about this. Has ANYONE experienced a hypertensive reaction solely from eating fresh mozarella? Please come forward!
Go for it!J Clin Psychiatry. 1999 Mar;60(3):191-3.
Comment in:
* J Clin Psychiatry. 2000 Feb;61(2):145-6.Refining the MAOI diet: tyramine content of pizzas and soy products.
Shulman KI, Walker SE.
Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto, Sunnybrook Health Science Centre, Ontario, Canada.BACKGROUND: Continuous refinement of the monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) diet has resulted in much reduced and simplified recommendations that attempt to balance safety and practicality. In the spirit of evidence-based practice, dietary restrictions should be based on carefully documented case reports and valid tyramine analyses. Residual concerns have focused on combination foods such as pizza and a variety of soy products. We determined the tyramine content of pizzas and a variety of soy products in order to refine dietary recommendations for use with MAOIs. METHOD: High-pressure liquid chromatography analysis of tyramine content was performed on a variety of pizzas, soy sauces, and other soybean products. A tyramine level of 6 mg or less was considered safe. RESULTS: No significant tyramine levels were found in any of the pizzas, including those with double pepperoni and double cheese. Marked variability was found in soy products, including clinically significant tyramine levels in tofu when stored for a week and high tyramine content in one of the soy sauces. CONCLUSION: Pizzas from large chain commercial outlets are safe for consumption with MAOIs. However, caution must be exercised if ordering pizzas from smaller outlets or gourmet pizzas known to contain aged cheeses. All soybean products should be avoided, especially soy sauce and tofu. Individualized counseling and continuous surveillance of compliance are still essential.
Posted by Ilene on February 21, 2004, at 8:41:46
In reply to Marplan Diary, posted by Ilene on February 19, 2004, at 8:52:49
Yesterday was interesting. I went to an "IEP" (I think it means Individual Education Program) meeting at my son's school. He's 13, and his schoolwork has gotten worse and worse. He can't remember anything, his handwriting is illegible, and his written work, even when typed, is terrible.
Lucky for me the meeting was at noon, because my pattern of feeling best midday is going strong.
Yesterday I left a message w/ the principal about my problems getting my son's transcripts and recommendations to the schools he's applying to in San Francisco. Yesterday I ran into his counselor in a yoga class, and today I talked to the guidance services secretary. Success, I think! They said they faxed the info to the two school, and I got a call from both the prinicipal and the guidance services secretary yesterday afternoon. I'll be calling the schools on Monday,
He's been diagnosed with AD/HD, distractive type, and a learning disability because of the difference between his verbal IQ (superior), other tests, and his written work. This means the school will start giving him much more individual attention. He may get occupational therapy to help with his terrible fine motor schools. And I'll be talking to my pdoc (who's actually a child psychiatrist) to get him a referral so he can get started on meds.
I think all these disorders--depression, GAD, AD/HD, probably my hypotension and chronic fatigue syndrome, and my mother's migraines (which were triggered by stress)--are genetically connected. It's so common for these things to run in families.
I hate myself for passing my genes on to my children. I think my daughter has "it" as well. She's very shy and fearful, but I think she's starting to get over it. She's 17. I hope if my kids can get treated earlier in life than I was then things will be better for them.
My son's best friend came over and stayed for dinner and a sleepover. I was much less irritable toward the boys then I used to be (maybe Risperdal has a hand in that) and even managed to chat with them through dinner. I talked with my daughter, too (she's living across the country now). My mind feels so blank, and I have nothing to talk about. (I don't go anywhere, don't do much, and even reading can be stressful for me.)
As expected, I got very tired, anxious, and depressed w/ suicidal ideation by evening. That's when I have the most hopeless and dysfunctional thoughts. I feel old and unsexy, with nothing to look forward too, and a lifetime of personal rejection. Maybe I should take Klonopin in the evening, too. I'm still resistant to taking it at times.
20 mg. of Marplan certainly isn't suppressing my REM sleep. I had strange dreams and woke up several times.
Today I go up to 30 mg. I already took my first 10, and I'll take the 20 in the evening.
Best wishes to all
Posted by cubbybear on February 22, 2004, at 1:46:49
In reply to Re: MAOI food and drug interactions » Ilene » cubbybear, posted by Ilene on February 21, 2004, at 8:10:28
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> > It's very frustrating--sure the list was updated several years ago, but contradictions remain. Like you, I question the listing about mozarella--since I read on another source that fresh mozarella is OK. So long as contradictiions remain, MAOI users will have difficulty deciding what to do or not do in certain instances. I would very much like to try a small pizza in Pizza Hut with only plain mozarella,but still worry about this. Has ANYONE experienced a hypertensive reaction solely from eating fresh mozarella? Please come forward!
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> Go for it!
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> This looks good. .. er. .if you live around L.A., how about we meet at a local Pizza Hut? I'll be Mr. Parnate, you'll be Ms. Marplan, and your son can keep watch over both of us after we dig in.
Posted by cubbybear on February 22, 2004, at 1:52:04
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 9. Long and rambling, posted by Ilene on February 21, 2004, at 8:41:46
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> I hate myself for passing my genes on to my children.This sounds like typical self-blaming, which is a symptom of depression. There's no rational or scientific evidence for what you believe. Hopefully the Marplan will knock out these feelings. Therapy can also help.
Maybe I should take Klonopin in the evening, too. I'm still resistant to taking it at times.
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> Today I go up to 30 mg. I already took my first 10, and I'll take the 20 in the evening.If you experience insomnia from the Marplan, you can talk to your doctor about dividing the doses so you take some in the early morning, and the rest around lunchtime. And you can definitely take Klonopin for insomnia. I did it for months while on Parnate.
cubbybear
Posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 7:34:43
In reply to Re: MAOI food and drug interactions » Ilene, posted by cubbybear on February 22, 2004, at 1:46:49
> > This looks good. .. er. .if you live around L.A., how about we meet at a local Pizza Hut? I'll be Mr. Parnate, you'll be Ms. Marplan, and your son can keep watch over both of us after we dig in.
Cubbybear, I thought you were female and lived in Thailand!
I grew up in L.A. but I live on the East Coast now. I'm moving to S.F. this summer. Is that close enough for you?
Ms. Marplan
Posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 7:39:44
In reply to Re: Marplan Diary Day 9. Long and rambling » Ilene, posted by cubbybear on February 22, 2004, at 1:52:04
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> > I hate myself for passing my genes on to my children.
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> This sounds like typical self-blaming, which is a symptom of depression. There's no rational or scientific evidence for what you believe. Hopefully the Marplan will knock out these feelings. Therapy can also help.
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Yes, it's typical self-blaming, but there is plenty of scientific evidence that mental illnesses cluster in families. My mother had an anxiety disorder, at the least, her sister was depressed, and that sister's son likely has a personality disorder. He's more than merely eccentric.I.
Posted by gardenergirl on February 22, 2004, at 8:53:19
In reply to Re: Marplan Diary Day 9. Long and rambling » Ilen » cubbybear, posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 7:39:44
Ilene,
It sounds like you are getting better bit by bit every day. I'm glad that you were well enough to participate in your son's IEP. I really respect parents involved in their kids' education. It's great that he will be getting the services he needs. I hope that goes well.Thanks for posting the summary of all the dietary restrictions. Did you gather all that from the archives? Some seemed familiar. If so, that's a lot of work, but very valuable for MAOI newbies. For me, I am enjoying red wine again (no more than 2 glasses as I am a light weight). I never found a white wine that was a blissful as my favorite reds. Also, my first piece of pizza on Nardil was heaven. Thank god for provolone. I am addicted to pizza, and its so convenient when I get home from school late.
Only difficulty I have in dealing with the diet is when I go out to eat. Then there are so many questions to ask and you have to rely on the honesty and knowlege of the person answering. If I don't have a good feeling, I go for a simple sandwich or hamburger. The fewer the ingredients, the better.Good luck, take care, and keep posting!
gg
Posted by Maxime on February 22, 2004, at 13:49:41
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 9. Long and rambling, posted by Ilene on February 21, 2004, at 8:41:46
Irene, I just wanted to give you a hug (((( Irene))). Things are going to get better. I know it doesn't seem that way now, but they will. I think it's great that you are going out and trying to do things even when you feel like crap.
Hang in there. ((( Irene)))) - one more hug for the road.
Maxime
Posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 19:44:28
In reply to Re: Marplan Diary Day 9. Long and rambling, posted by gardenergirl on February 22, 2004, at 8:53:19
> Thanks for posting the summary of all the dietary restrictions. Did you gather all that from the archives? Some seemed familiar. If so, that's a lot of work, but very valuable for MAOI newbies. For me, I am enjoying red wine again (no more than 2 glasses as I am a light weight). I never found a white wine that was a blissful as my favorite reds. Also, my first piece of pizza on Nardil was heaven. Thank god for provolone. I am addicted to pizza, and its so convenient when I get home from school late.
> Only difficulty I have in dealing with the diet is when I go out to eat. Then there are so many questions to ask and you have to rely on the honesty and knowlege of the person answering. If I don't have a good feeling, I go for a simple sandwich or hamburger. The fewer the ingredients, the better.
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I'm glad you got some worth from the diet info. Most of it came from the book I mentioned. The rest came from PubMed and a couple of internet articles. Some of this stuff has also been posted on Babble, which is why it's familiar.You should be able to eat a salad in a restaurant . Just pick out the cheese. Indian food should be okay, too, even the cheese, because it's fresh. I *love* Indian food. I love Chinese and Japanese food, too, but that's going to be off-limits for a while.
I can't say I've gotten used to American cheese but I've been eating a lot of it. It's bland and gooey, which sometimes I need when my stomach is upset. Most of the frozen things that I use when I don't want to cook are stir-fries that contain soy sauce, but the packets are small, so maybe I'll try a mini-serving.
Posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 19:46:47
In reply to Re: Marplan Diary Day 9. Long and rambling, posted by Maxime on February 22, 2004, at 13:49:41
> Irene, I just wanted to give you a hug (((( Irene))). Things are going to get better. I know it doesn't seem that way now, but they will. I think it's great that you are going out and trying to do things even when you feel like crap.
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> Hang in there. ((( Irene)))) - one more hug for the road.
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> MaximeThat was so sweet. I started crying.
Posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 20:14:17
In reply to Marplan Diary, posted by Ilene on February 19, 2004, at 8:52:49
Yesterday was my first day at 30 mg: 10 in the morning, 20 at night.
I got very anxious yesterday. The Klonopin didn't help much. One of my goals is to leave the house each day. I took a short walk to drop off my son's soccer sign-up sheet. I didn't enjoy it.
I took my 2 Marplan and went to bed a little early. I didn't sleep very well and dreamed more than usual. So much for suppression of REM sleep. I got all worried about it, of course.
Today I took 20 mg. Marplan in the morning because I didn't like what happened last night. I didn't take any K in the morning, took my son to Sunday School and did my usual shopping. Had a nice little chat about the Mel Gibson "Passion" movie with my favorite Sunday School dad. Anxiety struck anyway. I took my K when I got home.
Called friend with whom I had a shopping date. She was asleep because she had partied until the wee hours. I told her BF that was okay, I thought we could defer our date for a weekday because the subway is being single-tracked and there are long delays on the weekend. She just got laid off, so I think she'll have some free time.
IMed my husband. He was nice today. It felt good to chat with him; helped me calm down. Tried to restring a necklace but lost some of the beads when I was all but done. That just made the anxiety worse, even though I wasn't pissed at myself for dropping the beads. Strange.
Took some more K. at dinner time, discovered one of the cats had taken a dump on my bed. I've been having litter-box problems with her. She's too scared of the other cat to go downstairs. Lucky she didn't pee.
I feel better now. I'm not as tired as usual, maybe because I haven't taken my Risperdal yet.
I don't get much done around the house when I'm anxious. I can't even read too much, because I compare myself with everyone I read about, or the things are too sad. I made the mistake of reading a magazine story about a poet who stabbed herself and her 2-yr-old son to death. Once I read the blurb it didn't matter whether I read it or not. Life seems so sad to me all the the time. People get old and sick and die. Suffering is just so overpowering. It didn't used to be this way.
Posted by oskarsmom on February 22, 2004, at 20:52:59
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 10, posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 20:14:17
Hi Ilene,
Thanks so much for posting your experiences. I just don't have the energy. Endless depression, but suprisingly anxiety has been a bit better. I'm up to 30 mgs now for the past few days. Will talk with the doc on Tuesday. I assume we'll increase the dose at that time. Side effects seem to have subsided for now. Wanted you to know that I'm thinking of you. Keep on posting.
oskarsmom
Posted by cubbybear on February 23, 2004, at 3:23:36
In reply to Re: MAOI food and drug interactions » Ilene » cubbybear, posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 7:34:43
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> Cubbybear, I thought you were female and lived in Thailand!
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> I grew up in L.A. but I live on the East Coast now. I'm moving to S.F. this summer. Is that close enough for you?
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> Ms. MarplanI was joking, and e-mail makes it sound serious! Actually, you're half right. I do live in Thailand but am a member of the male species. I have to go back to the U.S. every year to pick up a year's supply of Parnate and visit my family.
Posted by Ilene on February 23, 2004, at 21:14:26
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 10, posted by Ilene on February 22, 2004, at 20:14:17
Third day at 30 mg. Today was better. I'm not going to get my hopes up because I remember feeling all "cured" last Wednesday, but things were manageable today and I hope it continues.
I put off taking my morning Klonopin until about 11 AM because I wanted to go to a yoga class at noon. I don't really like this teacher. She can be snappish. She was nice, though, and I could've done w/out the Klonopin.
Puttered around looking for some papers I had misplaced. Managed to do some filing as a result. Took my son to get his hair cut. Both of us got haircuts. Now it's time for hot chocolate and beddiebye.
I.
Posted by Ilene on February 24, 2004, at 21:07:10
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 11, posted by Ilene on February 23, 2004, at 21:14:26
Fourth day at 30 mg. Ugh. Not such a good day. Depressed and anxious. Everything was a chore.
Finally succumbed and put a litter box in the powder room, where it can stink everything up. Maybe now I can take the oilcloth off the couch. Interior decoration is not a priority here.
Went to yoga again. Almost didn't take my Klonopin, but did right before I left. It was a good idea. Took more in the afternoon.
Got a couple of letters out to the schools to which my son is applying and got a few groceries. Watched Nova with my son. Wondering at what age a child will not be excessively traumatized by a parent's suicide. Guilt is my reason for living.
Posted by cubbybear on February 25, 2004, at 3:23:59
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 12, posted by Ilene on February 24, 2004, at 21:07:10
> Wondering at what age a child will not be excessively traumatized by a parent's suicide.
None. An adult will be traumatized by the suicide of anyone whom he/she knows, no matter what the relationship Multply the trauma a thousandfold if a child of any age has to deal with it, and a millionfold if it involved a parent. If your suicidal ideation is frequent or touches upon a plan, you MUST talk to your dr.!
Posted by Ilene on February 25, 2004, at 8:09:34
In reply to Re: Marplan Diary Day 12 » Ilene, posted by cubbybear on February 25, 2004, at 3:23:59
> > Wondering at what age a child will not be excessively traumatized by a parent's suicide.
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> None. An adult will be traumatized by the suicide of anyone whom he/she knows, no matter what the relationship Multply the trauma a thousandfold if a child of any age has to deal with it, and a millionfold if it involved a parent. If your suicidal ideation is frequent or touches upon a plan, you MUST talk to your dr.!
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My suicidal ideation is fairly constant. I tell my pdoc when she asks. She wants to be sure I'm going to be "safe" but she hasn't been able to cure the awful pain of depression. I assume I would be hospitalized if I didn't answer her questions to her satisfaction. I've never been in a psych ward and I don't want to be.
Posted by Ilene on February 25, 2004, at 8:52:40
In reply to Re: Marplan Diary Day 10 » Ilene, posted by oskarsmom on February 22, 2004, at 20:52:59
> Hi Ilene,
>
> Thanks so much for posting your experiences. I just don't have the energy. Endless depression, but suprisingly anxiety has been a bit better. I'm up to 30 mgs now for the past few days. Will talk with the doc on Tuesday. I assume we'll increase the dose at that time. Side effects seem to have subsided for now. Wanted you to know that I'm thinking of you. Keep on posting.
>
> oskarsmomWhat's going on with you? Still on 30 mg. or going up? How are you feeling?
I.
Posted by Ilene on February 25, 2004, at 18:37:50
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 12, posted by Ilene on February 24, 2004, at 21:07:10
Today was dismal. Saw my pdoc/therapist. I go up to 40 mg. Marplan today and stay there for a week. So far I've had no side effects.
I was so weepy and miserable she went through her "was I going to be safe" routine and even offered to see me a second time this week. I'm not sure what that would do. Usually I get a lift from our sessions but there's nothing she can do for me. I asked her what I can do that I'm not doing. She suggested thought-stopping. She said it might help if I did it over time. ECT came up again.
I didn't take any Klonopin this morning but I did in the afternoon. It didn't do too much.
It's after 7:30. I can watch TV soon and maybe read a little, then go to bed and hope tomorrow will be better.
Posted by cubbybear on February 25, 2004, at 23:56:24
In reply to My suicidal ideation » cubbybear, posted by Ilene on February 25, 2004, at 8:09:34
> >
> >
> My suicidal ideation is fairly constant. I tell my pdoc when she asks. She wants to be sure I'm going to be "safe" but she hasn't been able to cure the awful pain of depression. I assume I would be hospitalized if I didn't answer her questions to her satisfaction. I've never been in a psych ward and I don't want to be.First thing is that you shouldn't think that any doctor can "cure" your depression. They just help you with insights, analysis, coping, suggesting, meds, etc. I've read that chronic depression is not and can not be permanent cured, as you would can cure a cold or finger infection. Depression is an illness, but the best we can do is ascertain the appropriate meds for each person, so the illness will go into remission, hopefully for the long term.
From what I read in your posts, you are very much functional--badly depressed but still functional--so you should remain at home where you have important diversions, such as taking care of your son. Besides, my pdoc has emphasized that being surrounded by sick people in a hospital is depressing in itself and can actually delay the road to recovery.
Posted by gardenergirl on February 26, 2004, at 6:37:37
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 13, posted by Ilene on February 25, 2004, at 18:37:50
((((Ilene))))
Hang in there, sweetie. I'm glad your pdoc cares. I bet the safety questions get to be old, but again, at least she takes you seriously.
Glad you have no SE's and hope the 40mg does some good.
Take care,
gg
Posted by Ilene on February 26, 2004, at 9:29:05
In reply to Re: My suicidal ideation » Ilene, posted by cubbybear on February 25, 2004, at 23:56:24
> First thing is that you shouldn't think that any doctor can "cure" your depression. They just help you with insights, analysis, coping, suggesting, meds, etc. I've read that chronic depression is not and can not be permanent cured, as you would can cure a cold or finger infection. Depression is an illness, but the best we can do is ascertain the appropriate meds for each person, so the illness will go into remission, hopefully for the long term.
> From what I read in your posts, you are very much functional--badly depressed but still functional--so you should remain at home where you have important diversions, such as taking care of your son. Besides, my pdoc has emphasized that being surrounded by sick people in a hospital is depressing in itself and can actually delay the road to recovery.
>You're right, depression can't be cured. That frightens me very much. I can't do much for myself until I get the leg up from meds, and they haven't been working. I'm too sick to work and I have no social life. If I felt better I would volunteer or take a class in order to meet people. My pdoc and I think I need 3 or 4 weeks of improved mood in order to commit to something like that.
I go to yoga once or twice a week--there's a studio about 2 blocks from here. I try to get out of the house, even just to go to the post office, every day.
Considering the amount of time I have on my hands, I'm less functional than you think. I don't do too much with my son because much of the time I can't maintain a conversation. I manage to get food on the table most nights and do the laundry before we run out of socks or underwear. Sometimes that's all.
My pdoc/therapist called this morning. She's very concerned about me. She might want to contact my husband. She wants to see me tomorrow. I'm grateful for her concern, but I'm still suffering.
Posted by Ilene on February 26, 2004, at 19:01:36
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 13, posted by Ilene on February 25, 2004, at 18:37:50
Third day at 40 mg. Still no effects nor side effects. Nada. Zilch. Naught. I am still very depressed, but right now I feel a little better than I did this morning or yesterday.
I thought I had screwed myself by waiting until the last minute to get more Marplan, because I figure the local drugstore doesn't have much call for it, so they would be out. My pdoc called because she wanted to see how I was doing, and called the pharmacy and got me to make an appt to see her tomorrow. The pharm. gave me a few pills to tide me over while they reorder. Disaster averted, out another $130 tomorrow.
The big news for today is that I saw my new chronic fatigue syndrome doc. I posted about it because he said some interesting things about ADs:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040223/msgs/317995.htmlI just googled him and found out that he is Laura Hillenbrand's physician ("Seabiscuit").
He certainly has a lot of interesting things to say. For one thing, he thinks depression and anxiety are both symptoms of cfs. (Not exclusively, obviously.) He explains many of my physical oddities as related to each other. My bad feet and bad veins are due to a mild hyperflexibility in my joints and connective tissue, which is linked to my dysautonomia, which is linked to my cfs. The chronic stiffness in my neck and shoulders is a muscular reaction to having loose ligaments. I need to be careful with yoga poses. This is strange, because I never thought of myself as being loose-jointed.
I'm still a little disturbed over his comment about "antidepressants not working". I know that's not what he meant, but that's what I heard. I just can't get over that rush of despair.
Coming home on the subway I read that the med I'm on for cfs can cause depression. . . What to do?
My son didn't take his key, so he wasn't home when I got back. Not surprising, since I spent nearly 2 hours with this doc. (Amazing!) I couldn't get my key in the front door, either, which was pretty suspicious. My son guiltily confessed to pushing a twig into the lock. Frustrating, because I can't use the deadbolt--but there's another lock on the door keyed the same--and I feel sorry for the poor guy because he can't remember anything. BTW, the new doc thinks ADD, which my son has, is a dysautonomia, too.
I talked w/ the mom down the street where my son took refuge. We plan to do something this weekend. She's not as big a flake as my son's other friend's mom, the one I was supposed to do something with on Sunday. Maybe this will actually happen. She's a nice person, even if we don't have many interests in common.
I'm too tired to cook the zucchini to go with our leftover chicken.
I hope my husband calls me. Maybe I'll call my daughter.
Posted by cubbybear on February 26, 2004, at 23:34:06
In reply to Marplan Diary Day 14, posted by Ilene on February 26, 2004, at 19:01:36
dear Ilene,
Having religiously kept a detailed journal of my life for the past 10 years or so (I now have about 45 finished volumes), I really enjoy reading yours. Some of it makes for entertaining reading, although I know you probably wouldn't believe it. You sound quite coherent; you write well, and most important, you are DOING things to keep yourself busy and occupied.
Remember that you're only up to Day 14 of the Marplan and it could take another week or two to fully kick in. That has always been my experience with Parnate.
cubbybear
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