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Posted by sregan on November 21, 2006, at 15:09:04
I googled MSG and excitotoxin and got 13,200 hits. My wife is sensitive to MSG and been getting migraines as a result. If you read some of these links you'll see that some thing that MSG is a very poisonous substance to brain tissue.
I'd like to use this thread to compile a list of supplements that will block the glutamate receptor (perhaps the NMDA subtype). Also possible that GABA agonists will work just as well.
In a previous post Larry Hoover mentioned to someone who had an MSG reaction:
"There is a quick, safe, and easy solution, if you happen to have some of the amino acid called taurine handy.
Taurine shuts down glutamate.
A gram or two of taurine would have had you fixed up in ten minutes. Seriously."So for the first supplement I'd like to nominate Taurine. I've taken it myself hoping for anxiety relief as a glutamate antagonist.
Other glutamate antagonists I've taken are Magnesium and Zinc.
I've read quite a few of those MSG articles and no one seems to have come up with a solution to counter MSG.
I've read that Green Tea is consumed regularly in Japan where MSG was invented. It is believed that the Theanine counteracts the MSG
Shawn
Posted by qqqsimmons on November 22, 2006, at 15:26:10
In reply to Blocking MSG and excitotoxins, posted by sregan on November 21, 2006, at 15:09:04
sounds like you may have enough already. i was just going to add that some folks think that nutrasweet (aspartame) can raise aspartic acid levels in the brain, another excitotoxin.
though this idea is controversial, i've finally given up my diet pop, at least until i can get some with just splenda...and maybe my ear problems are finally improving...
Posted by aeon on November 22, 2006, at 22:44:52
In reply to Blocking MSG and excitotoxins, posted by sregan on November 21, 2006, at 15:09:04
I can attest to taurine being highly effective. I religiously avoid msg because it makes me suicidally depressed if I injest it. However if I can get a couple of grams of taurine in me it almost completely removes all the effects. I am nowhere near as scared about eating out anymore - red bull contains about 1800mg taurine per bottle 1000mg per can so its a good way to get taurine in if you are out and about.
Good luck with it.
Posted by sregan on November 23, 2006, at 11:24:33
In reply to Re: Blocking MSG and excitotoxins, posted by aeon on November 22, 2006, at 22:44:52
> I can attest to taurine being highly effective. I religiously avoid msg because it makes me suicidally depressed if I injest it.
Now that is serious. It's hard to avoid it nowdays as they seem to add it to everything. I know the prepackaged stuff and the labeling tricks. Free glutamate is labeled routinely as:
From: http://www.naturodoc.com/library/nutrition/MSG.htm
Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein
Hydrolyzed Protein
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein
Plant Protein Extract
Sodium Caseinate
Calcium Caseinate
Yeast Extract
Textured Protein
Autolyzed Yeast
Hydrolyzed Oat Flour
I believe a lot of the chain restaurants add tons of MSG (Golden Corral, KFC) because my wife gets migraines after we eat there. At GC you can pretty much taste it in the stuffing and other things.You ever wonder if your condition may have even been caused by physical brain damage due to excitotoxin overexposure (as many of the anti-MSG sites will tell you)?
Shawn
Posted by aeon on November 23, 2006, at 18:04:29
In reply to Re: Blocking MSG and excitotoxins » aeon, posted by sregan on November 23, 2006, at 11:24:33
Now that is serious. It's hard to avoid it nowdays as they seem to add it to everything. I know the prepackaged stuff and the labeling tricks.
>Yes it is hard to avoid but not impossible. I cannot eat at any fast food places or asian cusine. Really you just have to eat fresh home prepared food and make all sauces and dressing etc yourself. Its healthier anyway.
> You ever wonder if your condition may have even been caused by physical brain damage due to excitotoxin overexposure (as many of the anti-MSG sites will tell you)?
Yes, definitely, if not caused by then exaccerbated by them. My theory on my own depression is that it is a latent infection that somehow sits in my brain and causes a low state of inflammation. MSG, stress, too much stimulation like at a mall, whatever seems to aggravate it and there is a sometimes catastrophic flare up.
The only proof I have though is night sweats, and a generally over heated body in the absence of thyroid abnormalities. However all blood tests show up within "normal" ranges.
The relief I get from the anti-inflammatory approach is the only *true* relief I have ever had since this started. The rest is masking or management.
Posted by tgo on November 29, 2006, at 22:39:46
In reply to Re: Blocking MSG and excitotoxins, posted by aeon on November 23, 2006, at 18:04:29
I also get bad headaches when I have anything that has MSG. I believe it is George Eby's magnesium site that states that Taurine counteracts MSG.
Posted by sregan on November 30, 2006, at 9:13:33
In reply to Re: Blocking MSG and excitotoxins, posted by tgo on November 29, 2006, at 22:39:46
> I also get bad headaches when I have anything that has MSG. I believe it is George Eby's magnesium site that states that Taurine counteracts MSG.
Thanks for that, I found the link:
http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html
There is a sizable "white box" about 1/4 the way down the page. It starts "The MSG Toxicity"
Shawn
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