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Posted by former poster on August 26, 2015, at 23:56:24
Osteoarthritis has been getting increasingly worse since I started Bintellix 14 days ago. Is this a side effect? I haven't had this much pain in years.
Posted by SLS on August 27, 2015, at 6:51:54
In reply to Joint pain from Brintellix?, posted by former poster on August 26, 2015, at 23:56:24
> Osteoarthritis has been getting increasingly worse since I started Bintellix 14 days ago. Is this a side effect? I haven't had this much pain in years.
I have heard of SSRIs causing body aches. Vortioxetine, among its many properties, is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Of course, I can't guarantee that vortioxetine is making your arthritis worse or accelerating the progression of the condition. Is the pain limited to those joints that you know to be arthritic?
Duloxetine (Cymbalta) would be interesting choice, as it is known to greatly reduce pain in a number of conditions.
There is some thought that SRI drugs can help with rheumatoid arthritis.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2015, at 9:47:09
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by SLS on August 27, 2015, at 6:51:54
Scott do you have more information on arthritis osteo and SSRI's as my back is so bad I'd have to be fused from neck to the bottom of my spine and lose all flexibility and be unable to exercise. Thanks P
Posted by former poster on August 27, 2015, at 11:23:03
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by SLS on August 27, 2015, at 6:51:54
I had this same reaction to Celexa over 10 years ago. I am diagnosed with osteo arthritis in my knee which started to get worse with every week I was on Celexa. I stopped taking it and the swelling and pain decreased about 1 week after.
Cymbalta, Emsam, Fetzima - Reduced chronic painIronically Savella didn't decrease pain but helped improve depression and sleep while Fetzima reduced pain and caused insomnia, ED.
Now I'm having shoulder, elbow, neck, knee, and back pain which I thought was gone for good. The sad thing is I think the Brintellix may be starting to work for depression anxiety. Should I continue Brintellix and possibly ruin my body?
Phillipa, have you tried Fetzima? Maybe it could reduce your inflammation?
Posted by Horse on August 27, 2015, at 16:41:08
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » SLS, posted by former poster on August 27, 2015, at 11:23:03
fp, I noticed an increase in morning pain... but it's subsided a bit, so I think I'll continue to 20 mg. I wish I could remember what and where I read that this uptick in pain and Brintellix was discussed. The discussion was theoretical, suggested by such and such serotonin receptor, and this stuck in my mind because I thought, wow, I'm not crazy.
So it's begun helping with anxiety? And I was wondering if your dreaming had improved.
Posted by Horse on August 27, 2015, at 16:51:54
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » SLS, posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2015, at 9:47:09
P. Cymbalta is like a miracle for pain in my experience, I think it aggravated my bipolar, and hit my GI tract. I sometimes think about adding a bit to switch around from Ultram.
Posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2015, at 17:32:15
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by Horse on August 27, 2015, at 16:51:54
Horse was on it when found this site & unfortunately for me due to another poster's not improving and knowing nothing about sites like this. I quit it and went back to luvox & been there ever since. I was even getting the med free as new then and pdoc at the time handed it out to patients on it. Even was taking 60mg. No back pain at the time. And lifting weights at the gym. But I thought at the time that the med was no good. P
Posted by former poster on August 27, 2015, at 22:08:07
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Horse on August 27, 2015, at 16:41:08
>>>So it's begun helping with anxiety? And I was wondering if your dreaming had improved. <<<
I can't stand the dreams. Sleep for me is like travelling into the twilight zone, a tangle of surrealistic thoughts and images. I open my eyes 4-5 hours after falling asleep and that's it. Can't fall back to sleep. I think being sleep deprived is giving me cognitive decline cancelling the cognitive benefits of Brintellix.
Anxiety is still there but the feeling of doom seems to not be as severe and I had about 1 hour period today when I felt alive and life was beautiful.
Having thoughts of going back on Cymbalta. It's the most effective AD for me -almost as good as Nardil. But I felt ill when i was on it and many people told me I looked sick. Also gave me ED.Phillipa,I think Luvox is one of the best AD's. I can't remember if it helped inflammation. Cymbalta only helped my inflammation a little. Everyone is different. Hope you find a solution to your back problem other than surgery.
Posted by Phillipa on August 28, 2015, at 20:09:24
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Horse, posted by former poster on August 27, 2015, at 22:08:07
Not a surgical candiate, osteoporosis, osteo arthritis, bone spurs, spinal stenosis, & 2 curvatures of the spine. So I keep exercising and PT for dry needling every two weeks. So nothing for you from cymbalta? You like luvox? I take but 25mg a night. P
Posted by former poster on August 29, 2015, at 0:45:35
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Phillipa on August 28, 2015, at 20:09:24
I have osteo arthritis and bone spurs in my skull. Also 4 disintegrated disks. I found bike riding is very good for my back. I rarely have a problem with it. Have you tried curcumin or pycnogenol?
Luvox worked amazing for me back in 2000 but it caused some bedroom issues that lasted for years after I stopped taking it. I would love to go back on Luvox again if it weren't for that. Cymbalta is another AD that works incredible but there is always a trade off. It was easier living with side effects when I was younger.
Posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2015, at 19:49:22
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by former poster on August 29, 2015, at 0:45:35
How does one have osteo arthritis and bone spurs in their skull or do you mean cervical area?
Posted by Chris O on August 30, 2015, at 4:12:06
In reply to Joint pain from Brintellix?, posted by former poster on August 26, 2015, at 23:56:24
Took Brintillex for 8 months in 2013. 30-40mg/day. Did not experience this effect, at least not in any clinically significant way. Mostly mild lack of sexual desire and some initial nausea were main side effects. Only maybe 20% improvement in my anxiety symptoms. Stopped because ... it just wasn't enough, then on to a failed trial of rTMS at end of 2013. Oh well.
Chris
Posted by former poster on August 31, 2015, at 0:25:38
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Phillipa on August 29, 2015, at 19:49:22
How does one have osteo arthritis and bone spurs in their skull or do you mean cervical area?
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Sorry I guess the dementia is starting already. I have osteo arthritis in both knees, bone spur growing inward in my skull.
Posted by Phillipa on August 31, 2015, at 9:51:07
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by former poster on August 31, 2015, at 0:25:38
Dementia is that kind of a joke as constantly worried about this from the use of benzos 2/3 of my life.
So the bone spur is it growing into the throat area as know a man who had surgery to remove a bone spur from this area he was unable to swallow anymore. Is this common? When will someone have a treatment for osteo as it is said that from age 40 just about everyone has it? P
Posted by former poster on August 31, 2015, at 22:54:29
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Phillipa on August 31, 2015, at 9:51:07
>>Dementia is that kind of a joke as constantly worried about this from the use of benzos 2/3 of my life.<<Yes it's a joke.. My apologies Phillipa. Dementia is no joking matter. I too have been on benzo's 2/3 of my life. It's scary. I haven't had cognitive problems until 1 year ago when I took a course of flouroquinolone antibiotics for an infection. Drs. think it's depression not dementia. Now my anxiety is at a high and I need benzo's more than ever but I'm afraid to go up on the dose. Hope you are ok.
Posted by Phillipa on September 1, 2015, at 9:50:30
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Phillipa on August 31, 2015, at 9:51:07
Which antibiotic did you take as when new out took levoquin and one dose and It made it literally nuts. Of course took no more and switched to another one. No idea what was wrong at the time.
So you have increased anxiety from one and depression. I am again unable to fall back to sleep when wake after 5-6 hours and it doesn't seem to matter the amount of valium or xanax I take I still remain awake. Take total of l0mg of valium at night & .75mg of xanax. Have when go to sleep and the other half when wake. And sure not taking any antipsychotic at my age. Plus the doc I see simply writes scripts.. Do you seriously feel that benzos cause dementia or is it the war on drugs so to speak? Phillipa
Posted by former poster on September 4, 2015, at 23:04:21
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by Phillipa on September 1, 2015, at 9:50:30
>>Which antibiotic did you take as when new out took levoquin and one dose and It made it literally nuts. Of course took no more and switched to another one. No idea what was wrong at the time.<<
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Wow. Thats terrible!
Sorry for the slow reply Phillipa. I took Azithromycin and it caused derealization, memory problems. Later I took Topomax and had a bad reaction to that too which almost pushed me over the edge. Many of these drugs are toxic. Have you improved since your bad drug reaction? I know people who have taken benzo's for years and lived to old age and not got dementia. Wish we could discuss this further since we have the benzo use history. All the best.
Posted by Phillipa on September 5, 2015, at 9:28:19
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by former poster on September 4, 2015, at 23:04:21
It was just one dose of levoquin so now put down allergic to this med and take others if needed. I wonder how many others on this board and elsewhere have taken benzos for this many years. And to top it off they link loss of smell and taste to Alzheimers, MS, & Parkinsons Disease. So it seems like no matter what you take you stand a chance of some disease. Now it's the NSAIDS and anything for pain causing heart attacks. So what to do for headaches backaches? Anyone thought of a chat site for long term benzo use? Thanks P
Posted by former poster on September 6, 2015, at 23:20:59
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Phillipa on September 5, 2015, at 9:28:19
Levoquin made you nuts with allergic reaction? I haven't found a forum specifically about stopping benzo's. I've read depression can cause alzheimers. They still need to investigate more. Could it be benzo users fall into a high stress category and the stress is really the culprit, not the benzo use?
Posted by Phillipa on September 7, 2015, at 20:50:34
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by former poster on September 6, 2015, at 23:20:59
I don't think so as so many high executives are under severe stress. More than mine for sure. My stress now comes from nothing interesting to do. Back has taken a lot away from me my pleasures of working outside and lots of excercise. Hurts and wears me out. P
Posted by former poster on September 9, 2015, at 23:25:43
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Phillipa on September 5, 2015, at 9:28:19
I haven't found any good forums for long term benzo use yet. Maybe search for a group on Facebook.
I just saw a book titled "Grain Dead". According to the author eating wholegrain wheat is the biggest cause of dementia. Increasing your chance by 40%. Remember in the 80's and 90's they told us we had to eat it or we'll die of cancer? Interesting how science is wrong.
Simple exercise like Thai chi or qi qong can prevent and cure dementia.
You really should try curcumin/tumeric in place of NSAID's. A lot of people including myself have done this with better anti-inflamitory results.
Posted by former poster on September 10, 2015, at 2:15:03
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by former poster on September 9, 2015, at 23:25:43
Correction: "Grain Brain" was the name of the book.
Posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2015, at 9:38:34
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » Phillipa, posted by former poster on September 9, 2015, at 23:25:43
I bought some tumeric supreme and googled it and it said that it could interact with meds. So I didn't take it. It's sitting in the cabinet. Know anything about this? Thanks P
Posted by former poster on September 11, 2015, at 0:40:21
In reply to Re: Joint pain from Brintellix? » former poster, posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2015, at 9:38:34
Tumeric supreme is blended with black pepper for increased absorption. Pepperine is metabolised with the same cytochrome as many AD's are. But really think about this. We put black pepper on our food without worrying about drug interactions. Tumeric is a food also.. Found in mustard, curry, salad dressings. I take Meriva brand curcumin. It doesn't have pepper in it. Several companies bottle and sell this formula and I've taken it for years with all kinds of meds.
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