Posted by MindReseacher on September 9, 2004, at 6:23:39
In reply to Re: Which meds increase dopamine/energy?, posted by djinnicht on September 9, 2004, at 1:19:39
Boy, ya got alot of meds, esp nootropics. Which i respect the board and wont discuss, but briefly some sound very promising.
IF you think about it, Adderall and Dexedrine and Ritalin, are schedule 2. Moreso addictive , but work for majority of ADD problems, compared to other stimulants.
I can attest, from 1 week without adderall, laying in bed, no energy, nothing, just sleeping and eating, working out barely, and after my first dose of adderall, a few hours later i felt like a new man. I mean i actually (and was not intending to) stayed up most of the night, well because like i said that day before i slept until 6pm. So, i was up practically the whole night and next day, still working on my research, focused, happy. THe only problem is, sometimes you DONT want to go to sleep. Your brain is like keep working, but you are run down, so anymore, i make sure i get at least 6 hrs of sleep.
From what iv been reading dexadrine is even better, More mental stimulation, better for ADD, and least amount of anxiety and such. I would like for my doc to switch me to dexedrine spanules which last long time. Maybe 2 doses of 15mg. Or even one, depending on the burn out.
But adderall has been very very helpful, in many aspects of my Add, Depression, and social interaction. AND im not high. I may "feel good mentally, but is there anything wrong with that!, as long as i dont go over my dosage. Too bad adderall wears off fast, because i do get shorted, and i may try and just not take any for a good part of the morning, when i dont need it. Becuase then i fall about a week to 10 day short if i take a 3rd dose, even 15mg.
I dont see a problem with my doctor persribing me 10 or 20mg for a night/evening dose. THat would work. I believe the theropeutic dose is around 60mg, but i hear of some that do take up to 90mg, just as some ritalin users.
But having about 20 ritalin 30mgs for when i do run short of adderall, is and can be a positive thing, due to a break in the amphetamine cycle, and i wont be a zombie for a week. Yet , i tried almost every thing, naturally, nothing helped the fatigue and tiredness amphetamines cause when coming off.
I switched to Ritalin 2 x daily 30mgs, and still didnt feel right, but it kept me on my toes. But i decided, i must take at least 3-5 days off of all p-stimulants, before I start up the adderall, and boy did i sleep. Coffee, ephedrine, L-tyrosine, did nothing much. I may be a bit dependant on adderall, but it really has positivly improved my life. So if the outcome is good, well i see no problem.
I must have went through numerous medications, mainly ssris and some TCI's, and nothing. But after trial and error, i was giving up on perscribed meds and using illicite drugs for my mental anquish, and what not. But come to beleive a problem with my dopamine system, may be something to look into, instead of good ol serotonin. Tried 4 ssri's , 3 TCI's, Natural stimulants, Welbutrin, but i cant say much cause i was using and it made me very anxious, esp when i came down, but, I want to say my depression, Social Phobia/Anxiety, Motivation skills basically stemmed from ADD. And about 6 yrs ago, my first Psycologist told me i may have that, and i laughed at him, saying no way. But never listened, or did anything about it, and spend alot of bucks on doctors who didnt know much or didnt want to bother to take the time and try to diagnose my problem, although yes, i was using drugs, but the symptoms always persisted, even when i was clean.I want to give my opinon, first this board is excellent. Some other boards, people get a little hasty when you say drugs. Second, some very knowledgeable people on here, and im willing to offer what i can in return for any advise of others on here.
I dont know if my posts are too long but ill try and shorten them up, maybe post more, but if i were to pick the top 3 pharmaceutical Dopamine releasers, I would have to say Dex/Adderall/Ritalin A step below maoi's such as paranate or selegine, and nootropics, which i cant name. But the former author hit some on the head. Natural dopamine precusors, id go with L-Tyrosine, Mucuna Prurriens, and NADH. Last, for some, Throw some welbutrin in there or straterra, which may help some sypmtoms of ADD, but i believe those 2 act more on the norepinephrine system.
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