Posted by willyee on February 17, 2007, at 1:37:00
In reply to Re: What about Kava Kava? or Valerian Root?, posted by rjlockhart on February 16, 2007, at 23:18:49
Kava Kava is not ideal for sleep,it has at the least 15 known active constitutes (lactones) and it has many different varying effects,this is why it is for some very theprutic because of the WIDE window range of effects.
However so many brands were removed due to the liver scare,which btw was if looked up determined unreliable and could not be officialy verfied,still the short time of the RED LABEL demand was enogh to decrease the manf of it to only a handful of brands if that.
I remember GNC had caps that were so potent and worked so well i was doing really good,now gone you wont find it except in some weak tead but the herb no longer sits on its shelf.
You can order it in bulk offline,and there are claims to how potent the kava is,but i actualy prefered getting two or three top brans,i.e GNC,SOLARAY,SOLGAR,and mixing,always worked.
Those brands are all gone now.I believe natrol,vitamin shoppe and a few others are left,and after numerous trials it just doesent seem like the kava i once knew.In germany kava was even a script drug,thats where the whole liver thing started,actual cases of liver toxcity OFFICIAL to kava are nill to none reported here in U.S,but fda got there goal and scared the media hyped public into loosing yet antoher good over the counter aid.
Valerian does affect gaba,ITS IS NOT KAVA,FAR FROM IT,personaly i wouldent touch it with a ten foot pole.But some people do use and like it for sleep.
The previous poster is right,gaba cant cross into the brain with out a carrier,some known over the counter gaba substances would be,L theanine - said to raise both gaba.dopamine levels.
Picamilion - Gaba attached to niacin to cross over.
Phenibutt - Said to be closes thing totaly legal to ghb,affects gaba and pea,dont know much about how it works however,but do know its either loved or hated.
Taurine - doesent directly effect gaba,but is similiar to anti convuslants like lamicatal and so on,and does OVER ALL effect gaba production.
Med wise,the strongest gaba drug is actualy GABATRIL,and is actualy not used much at all,which shows pure gaba is not the entire issue.Nuerontion - i use and like this drug,again doesent effec gaba directly,but over does.
FYI First kava kava has very weak if NO affect on benzo sites which is why its not a replacment of a benzo.Also GHB is actualy not a major gaba drug,rather it surpresses dopamine,and has effects on numerous other things.
Pure gaba isnt the answer,if it were GABAITRIL,a gaba ruptake drug would be very popular,while instead most people hate it.
Personaly i recomend the above for over the counter and the above for drug use.
Gaba itself will prob do nothing more than make u tingle.
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