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Posted by Shy_Girl on April 8, 2005, at 0:24:18
Hello
I've never abused any drug, legal or illegal before. I don't even drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco...although I have tried pot two times. Anyways, I'm curious about hallucinations. I want to experiment a little with psychedelics. Since I have no way to get something safer to use like LSD, I'm thinking of using DXM (dextromethorphan hydrobromide). Does anyone know if the risks for serotonin syndrome are significant? I'm taking 30mg of citalopram (Celexa). How dangerous would it be for me to say, reach the 3rd plateau or something with DXM? Also, I'm thinking of extracting the DXM from DXM + guaifenesin preparations. I'm thinking of using a dual phase acid base extraction. Would the end product be ok to ingest?
Thanks
Shy_Girl
Posted by chemist on April 9, 2005, at 1:53:14
In reply to Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 8, 2005, at 0:24:18
> Hello
>
> I've never abused any drug, legal or illegal before. I don't even drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco...although I have tried pot two times. Anyways, I'm curious about hallucinations. I want to experiment a little with psychedelics. Since I have no way to get something safer to use like LSD, I'm thinking of using DXM (dextromethorphan hydrobromide). Does anyone know if the risks for serotonin syndrome are significant? I'm taking 30mg of citalopram (Celexa). How dangerous would it be for me to say, reach the 3rd plateau or something with DXM? Also, I'm thinking of extracting the DXM from DXM + guaifenesin preparations. I'm thinking of using a dual phase acid base extraction. Would the end product be ok to ingest?
>
> Thanks
>
> Shy_Girlhello there, chemist here...i am not aware if you are a u.s. resident, but DXM is a scheduled substance here. this might be a bit of news for some folks, as it is sold without prescription in various over-the-counter (usally) anti-cough preparations. small doses are deemed legal, and thus the dual listing of DXM (and LXM)...
given your ``clean living,'' if you will, thus far i am curious as to why you are interested in experimenting with drugs at this stage in your life....
without going into any detail, i would strongly urge you to abandon your plans for isolation of DXM and subsequent ingestion.
all the best, chemist
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 12:47:06
In reply to Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 8, 2005, at 0:24:18
> Hello
>
> I've never abused any drug, legal or illegal before. I don't even drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco...although I have tried pot two times. Anyways, I'm curious about hallucinations. I want to experiment a little with psychedelics. Since I have no way to get something safer to use like LSD, I'm thinking of using DXM (dextromethorphan hydrobromide). Does anyone know if the risks for serotonin syndrome are significant? I'm taking 30mg of citalopram (Celexa). How dangerous would it be for me to say, reach the 3rd plateau or something with DXM? Also, I'm thinking of extracting the DXM from DXM + guaifenesin preparations. I'm thinking of using a dual phase acid base extraction. Would the end product be ok to ingest?
>
> Thanks
>
> Shy_Girlhttp://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_quickfaq.shtml#toc.3.5
Erowid says you could die. Serotonin syndrome is the issue.
Do not do this. Bad idea.
Lar
Posted by Shy_Girl on April 9, 2005, at 15:31:25
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs? » Shy_Girl, posted by chemist on April 9, 2005, at 1:53:14
> hello there, chemist here...i am not aware if you are a u.s. resident, but DXM is a scheduled substance here. this might be a bit of news for some folks, as it is sold without prescription in various over-the-counter (usally) anti-cough preparations. small doses are deemed legal, and thus the dual listing of DXM (and LXM)...
I live in Canada, I'm not sure whether or not DXM in large doses is scheduled or not. I don't plan on selling what I extract, so it is unlikely I will get into trouble. If I got psychotic or something and end up in the hospital, can I get into trouble with the law if people find out I took a large dose of DXM and or extracted it?
> given your ``clean living,'' if you will, thus far i am curious as to why you are interested in experimenting with drugs at this stage in your life....I had a bad experience with trying out nitrous oxide at the dentists. I had a panic attack from the effects of the nitrous. I also cannot drink enough alcohol to get drunk because I get scared from the strange way it makes me feel. I also had a bad reaction the first time I tried cannabis, I started to freak out a little bit because the smoke burned my throat. I feel like trying DXM because I want to experience hallucinations...I'm curious about them. I feel like there is a chance that I might end up dead from suicide, there is soooo much I haven't tried yet or experienced. I want to try things at least once. Even though I'm 23 I've never lived on my own, I don't have my license, I've never been overseas and I don't have friends.
> without going into any detail, i would strongly urge you to abandon your plans for isolation of DXM and subsequent ingestion.I though I was going to go out and buy the things needed for extraction yesterday, but my mood changed somewhat and I didn't have the energy to go through with it. I ended up taking a double dose of my dad's cough medicine, I think I felt a little intoxicated, but no hallucinations whatsoever. I may try a higher dose.
I think it will be easier just to overdose on cough medicine than to extract it, for now.
Thanks Chemist
P.S. Are you a real chemist? And does it mean pharmacist or chemist as in chemistry?
Posted by Shy_Girl on April 9, 2005, at 15:35:46
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs? » Shy_Girl, posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 12:47:06
> http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_quickfaq.shtml#toc.3.5
>
> Erowid says you could die. Serotonin syndrome is the issue.
>
> Do not do this. Bad idea.From what I've read, serotonin syndrome seems rare and death is even more rare. It takes a lot to die from overdoses...I know, I've done lots of research on this subject. I think I'll just try overdosing on cough meds and not extract it...I don't want to do anything illegal for now.
Thanks LarP.S. You seem to know a lot...from the posts I've read. Are you a doctor or something?
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 16:14:01
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 9, 2005, at 15:35:46
> > http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_quickfaq.shtml#toc.3.5
> >
> > Erowid says you could die. Serotonin syndrome is the issue.
> >
> > Do not do this. Bad idea.
>
> From what I've read, serotonin syndrome seems rare and death is even more rare. It takes a lot to die from overdoses...I know, I've done lots of research on this subject.I was trying to talk you out of it. Your rationale seems to be a little disturbed. Like you want to do it because of the risk?
> I think I'll just try overdosing on cough meds and not extract it...I don't want to do anything illegal for now.
If you've done the research, as you say, then you'll know that unextracted (i.e. as you buy them) cough medicines contain other ingredients that are far more toxic in overdose than the DXM.
Maybe you could turn on your babblemail, and we could talk about this? (I'm Canadian, too.)
>
> Thanks Lar
>
> P.S. You seem to know a lot...from the posts I've read. Are you a doctor or something?I'm an environmental toxicologist. I've studied many of the same subjects that doctors study, but just in a different application. Once you understand how things work in one realm, it's not too big a task to look at similar scientific realms and understand them. I'm certainly no doctor, but then again, I wonder about some who are.
Lar
Posted by Shy_Girl on April 9, 2005, at 16:33:11
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs? » Shy_Girl, posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 16:14:01
> If you've done the research, as you say, then you'll know that unextracted (i.e. as you buy them) cough medicines contain other ingredients that are far more toxic in overdose than the DXM.
Yes, I know. Acetaminophen is especially dangerous in overdose. That is why I decided to overdose on ASA instead of acetaminophen when I was desperate to get a defferal for my midterms. I know I still would have survived without getting the sodium bicarbonate. To be serious about dying, I may have to forgo the overdose route.
>
> Maybe you could turn on your babblemail, and we could talk about this? (I'm Canadian, too.)
>Hmmm...never tried this babblemail thing, is it just e-mail?
Thanks for reading
Shy_Girl
> I'm an environmental toxicologist. I've studied many of the same subjects that doctors study, but just in a different application.
Cool...I'm an undergrad, studying science. I want to work in a lab and do research one day...if I can survive until then.
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 9, 2005, at 18:09:10
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 9, 2005, at 16:33:11
> > If you've done the research, as you say, then you'll know that unextracted (i.e. as you buy them) cough medicines contain other ingredients that are far more toxic in overdose than the DXM.
>
> Yes, I know. Acetaminophen is especially dangerous in overdose. That is why I decided to overdose on ASA instead of acetaminophen when I was desperate to get a defferal for my midterms. I know I still would have survived without getting the sodium bicarbonate. To be serious about dying, I may have to forgo the overdose route.Suicidal ideation is quite a distraction. I understand.
> >
> > Maybe you could turn on your babblemail, and we could talk about this? (I'm Canadian, too.)
> >
>
> Hmmm...never tried this babblemail thing, is it just e-mail?It's anonymous email. Dr. Bob has set up a server so that if you enable babblemail, you can receive anonymous emails from other babblemail users. You'll get a regular email, but it will just say "Babblemail from Shy_Girl" or "Babblemail from chemist" or whomever. Dr. Bob has no record of the contents of the email, only that one was sent.
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> Thanks for reading
>
> Shy_GirlHappy to.
> > I'm an environmental toxicologist. I've studied many of the same subjects that doctors study, but just in a different application.
>
> Cool...I'm an undergrad, studying science. I want to work in a lab and do research one day...if I can survive until then.Ya, you can survive until then. Why don't you go turn on that babblemail, and we can have a chat together. Tell me what you're studying, and so on. I'm also a good tutor.
Lar
Posted by chemist on April 10, 2005, at 1:27:13
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 9, 2005, at 15:31:25
hello there, chemist here...pardon the hour...larry has stated quite nicely the point of the discourse, as it turns out: not so much legal troubles but rather your disturbing plans...many of us have not visited the four-corners, as it were, and living with the folks while going to school - or not, for that matter - is hardly unique...i do hope you take larry up on his offer for babblemail, and i extend the offer to you (and any others) as well...
in response to your query, i am a chemist (formally)...i cannot urge you enough not to undertake any procedures such as you allude to, licit or not: the goal is not something worth pursuing, and as larry points out, there are plenty of things that can wind up in an allegedly clean product that are bad news.
if you are interested in the mechanism(s) implicated in hallucinations, might i recommend you first hit the books? the 5-HT_{2} receptor subfamily is what appears to be hit most heavily by so-called hallucinogens, yet the specificity is not in toto. look into the literature from the 1950s/1960s, particularly that of sid cohen, who used LSD-25 in therapeutic settings for almost a decade before changing his perspective...
hit the books and the babblemail, if you please! all the best, chemist
> I live in Canada, I'm not sure whether or not DXM in large doses is scheduled or not. I don't plan on selling what I extract, so it is unlikely I will get into trouble. If I got psychotic or something and end up in the hospital, can I get into trouble with the law if people find out I took a large dose of DXM and or extracted it?
>
> I had a bad experience with trying out nitrous oxide at the dentists. I had a panic attack from the effects of the nitrous. I also cannot drink enough alcohol to get drunk because I get scared from the strange way it makes me feel. I also had a bad reaction the first time I tried cannabis, I started to freak out a little bit because the smoke burned my throat. I feel like trying DXM because I want to experience hallucinations...I'm curious about them. I feel like there is a chance that I might end up dead from suicide, there is soooo much I haven't tried yet or experienced. I want to try things at least once. Even though I'm 23 I've never lived on my own, I don't have my license, I've never been overseas and I don't have friends.
>
> I though I was going to go out and buy the things needed for extraction yesterday, but my mood changed somewhat and I didn't have the energy to go through with it. I ended up taking a double dose of my dad's cough medicine, I think I felt a little intoxicated, but no hallucinations whatsoever. I may try a higher dose.
>
> I think it will be easier just to overdose on cough medicine than to extract it, for now.
>
> Thanks Chemist
>
> P.S. Are you a real chemist? And does it mean pharmacist or chemist as in chemistry?
>
>
Posted by AuntieMel on April 10, 2005, at 13:15:52
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 9, 2005, at 15:31:25
As in chemistry. With a fair amount of experience in pharmacology.
I, myself, trust his answers.
Posted by Shy_Girl on April 11, 2005, at 20:51:43
In reply to Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 8, 2005, at 0:24:18
Hello there, I made a bad mistake. I took an overdose of cough syrup and I am feeling pretty bad right now. I threw up once and if I move too much I will throw up again. It did not give me any hallucinatiions whatsoever, I only feel like a walking zombie and it's hard for my eyes to focus. It was a very very bad idea. Don't ever take an overdose of dxm. It will only make you sick. I'm going to throw away the rest of the bottle tomorrow after tonight. Hopefully in the morning I will feel ok again.
Shy_Girl
Posted by medhed on April 26, 2005, at 3:01:05
In reply to Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Shy_Girl on April 8, 2005, at 0:24:18
I use DXM.
I also take SSRI's.
I like Robotussin Extra Strength. (just DXM)
Or pure DXM. (available from fine chem. companies online)
The dose you take depends on what plateu you wish to visit.
I don't take MAOI's. (mix DXM/MAOI IS DANGEROUS...)
'MY' dose is:
300mg.- robobuzz.
500mg.- 2nd plateu. very adequate.
800mg.- 3rd plateu. trip your brains.
1000-1200mg.- 4th plateu. not for recreation.
I research any chem. I plan to put in my body ( a great place is erowid.com for the basics ) THEN comes experimentation on myself.
All hallucinagens will upset your stomach at some point usually.
I like to augment DXM with other hallucinagens and marijuana.
I do not advocate suicide (unless it is myself, gladly not at this time).
I hope you will not be influenced by the euphoriaphobics (unless you wish to be).
Don't follow the lemmings, do what YOU want.
Posted by medhed on April 26, 2005, at 3:11:07
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs? » Shy_Girl, posted by chemist on April 10, 2005, at 1:27:13
> hello there, chemist here...pardon the hour...larry has stated quite nicely the point of the discourse, as it turns out: not so much legal troubles but rather your disturbing plans...many of us have not visited the four-corners, as it were, and living with the folks while going to school - or not, for that matter - is hardly unique...i do hope you take larry up on his offer for babblemail, and i extend the offer to you (and any others) as well...
>
> in response to your query, i am a chemist (formally)...i cannot urge you enough not to undertake any procedures such as you allude to, licit or not: the goal is not something worth pursuing, and as larry points out, there are plenty of things that can wind up in an allegedly clean product that are bad news.
>
> if you are interested in the mechanism(s) implicated in hallucinations, might i recommend you first hit the books? the 5-HT_{2} receptor subfamily is what appears to be hit most heavily by so-called hallucinogens, yet the specificity is not in toto. look into the literature from the 1950s/1960s, particularly that of sid cohen, who used LSD-25 in therapeutic settings for almost a decade before changing his perspective...
>
> hit the books and the babblemail, if you please! all the best, chemist
>
> > I live in Canada, I'm not sure whether or not DXM in large doses is scheduled or not. I don't plan on selling what I extract, so it is unlikely I will get into trouble. If I got psychotic or something and end up in the hospital, can I get into trouble with the law if people find out I took a large dose of DXM and or extracted it?
> >
> > I had a bad experience with trying out nitrous oxide at the dentists. I had a panic attack from the effects of the nitrous. I also cannot drink enough alcohol to get drunk because I get scared from the strange way it makes me feel. I also had a bad reaction the first time I tried cannabis, I started to freak out a little bit because the smoke burned my throat. I feel like trying DXM because I want to experience hallucinations...I'm curious about them. I feel like there is a chance that I might end up dead from suicide, there is soooo much I haven't tried yet or experienced. I want to try things at least once. Even though I'm 23 I've never lived on my own, I don't have my license, I've never been overseas and I don't have friends.
> >
> > I though I was going to go out and buy the things needed for extraction yesterday, but my mood changed somewhat and I didn't have the energy to go through with it. I ended up taking a double dose of my dad's cough medicine, I think I felt a little intoxicated, but no hallucinations whatsoever. I may try a higher dose.
> >
> > I think it will be easier just to overdose on cough medicine than to extract it, for now.
> >
> > Thanks Chemist
> >
> > P.S. Are you a real chemist? And does it mean pharmacist or chemist as in chemistry?
> >
> >
>
>Just say no, again?
Perhaps I am getting to know you?
Posted by Declan on May 4, 2005, at 17:10:20
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs? » chemist, posted by medhed on April 26, 2005, at 3:11:07
Awful stuff. No redeeming virtues, not for hallucinations anyway.
Declan
Posted by Shy_Girl on May 10, 2005, at 20:33:05
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs?, posted by Declan on May 4, 2005, at 17:10:20
> Awful stuff. No redeeming virtues, not for hallucinations anyway.
> DeclanI personally had a pretty bad reaction to it...even though I only took a "lower plateau" dose. I would not recommend it based on my experience.
To me, the best experience was with double the recommended dose (making sure that DXM is the ONLY active ingredient of course). I felt slightly drunk I think. I don't like alcohol and can't drink enough of it to get drunk, so it was a different experience for me.
Posted by alexxf on July 23, 2007, at 15:33:01
In reply to Re: Is DXM safe to use with SSRIs? » Shy_Girl, posted by medhed on April 26, 2005, at 3:01:05
I thought that was illegal? to purchase online...
> I use DXM.
> I also take SSRI's.
> I like Robotussin Extra Strength. (just DXM)
> Or pure DXM. (available from fine chem. companies online)
> The dose you take depends on what plateu you wish to visit.
> I don't take MAOI's. (mix DXM/MAOI IS DANGEROUS...)
> 'MY' dose is:
> 300mg.- robobuzz.
> 500mg.- 2nd plateu. very adequate.
> 800mg.- 3rd plateu. trip your brains.
> 1000-1200mg.- 4th plateu. not for recreation.
> I research any chem. I plan to put in my body ( a great place is erowid.com for the basics ) THEN comes experimentation on myself.
> All hallucinagens will upset your stomach at some point usually.
> I like to augment DXM with other hallucinagens and marijuana.
> I do not advocate suicide (unless it is myself, gladly not at this time).
> I hope you will not be influenced by the euphoriaphobics (unless you wish to be).
> Don't follow the lemmings, do what YOU want.
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