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Posted by DAisym on September 8, 2007, at 20:11:56
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting', posted by twinleaf on September 8, 2007, at 16:01:43
I wonder if face-to-face brings on more of these moments or if it is "just" the connection that happens, whether you are laying down or not. Sometimes I feel like I'm searching his face for the slightest hesitation or deception, particularly when he is telling me it wasn't my fault. He always holds my gaze in these moments and I'm always aware that he is.
I guess what I mean by putting the moment into words is talking about just this, like we are now. Not only what was felt or said, but the fact that it was indeed a moment. For both of us. Daniel Stern would argue that it diminishes it to call it out as such. I think I disagree.
The other thing that I'm thinking is that most of these moments are not "ah ha" moments. They are deep feeling moments of being known - and sometimes there is insight. But usually, for me at least, there is relief. And then there is healing.
I'm glad you are experiencing these moments with your new therapist. And as much as we might wish it, I don't think they come often nor can they be forced. Which is why they are so special.
Posted by DAisym on September 8, 2007, at 20:30:07
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting', posted by muffled on September 8, 2007, at 19:08:59
I think I've felt this type of connection to my children when they were infants. There are moments when they look at you in that solemn, wise way that babies have and you want to look back forever. I remember thinking, "I wish I could freeze time."
And recently I had one in reverse with a good friend. She has been going through a really hard time and as I listened to her I could feel her pain and her desperation, even though she wasn't talking overtly about that. I simply said, "it is hard to feel suicidal and even harder to admit it. It might surprise you to know I've been where you are now." She burst into tears and it all poured out. But it was the moment before the tears in which I could feel her feelings and she knew I could. It was powerful.
I can't say that I've ever felt completely seen or felt by anyone except in therapy. But I'm a pro at shielding. I hope I find someone to have these moments with, IRL. In my fantasies, I imagine loving sex to hold some of the same powerful elements of feeling connected to another person. At least I hope it does. But that is a whole different level of trust and openness. (And please don't read this as I want to have sex with my therapist.)
I think in time you will find yourself more and more able to trust another person and make a deep connection. I'll hold that hope for you.
Posted by twinleaf on September 8, 2007, at 20:36:03
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting' » twinleaf, posted by DAisym on September 8, 2007, at 20:11:56
I heard Stern a few months ago at a conference in which a psychoanalyst in training presented a five-year analysis which was very successful. She went into enormous amounts of detail about individual sessions for 45 minutes. At the end, she asked Stern why the analysis had been so successful, saying she really didn't know herself. He said, "I have no idea either- you just did the right thing!" Everyone in the auditorium laughed. Afterwards, there was a general discussion about whether these things are knowable; as you say, Stern maintained that they weren't. but others in general felt that the transmuting moments could be identified and put into words.
I had perhaps four of those moments lying down on the couch, but I was intently focussed on what I could tell about my analyst- his tone of voice, how his body posture was (I could see a leg and a hand). It's happened twice with the new one- sitting up, so I don't think being on the couch hampers it happening. It might have been important that his chair was alongside the head of the couch, rather than in back of it, but I don't know for sure. Maybe other people llying on the couch would be willing to tell us their experiences.
I agree completely- it's not an "ah-ha" moment, which would involve verbal understanding. It's being known- especially a younger part of us which has been cut off from being known previously. I never knew any of this until fairly recently, but it's really so promising and exciting. I bet all the training you are taking is wonderfully exciting.
Posted by RealMe on September 8, 2007, at 22:58:43
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting' » twinleaf, posted by DAisym on September 8, 2007, at 20:11:56
I am tired right now, but I just wanted to say that with my current therapist this happened one time when I started talking about the beginnings of the csa. I had never had this happen before, but to be in touch with the little girl and to sense that she has been back there waiting and waiting for me, well it was freaky in a way, but my analyst is there and feels it too and all the pain, and I felt it again last Friday. We were in sync, and I could feel he knew how I felt. I had never had this before, and it is a little disconcerting for me right now. But there is a part of it that feels good and gives me hope.
Thanks for sharing twinleaf and Daisy. I really feel fortunate to have the therapist I now have as he is there with me which is different from being there for me as you know.
RealMe
(Oz)
Posted by annierose on September 8, 2007, at 23:04:08
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting' » DAisym, posted by twinleaf on September 8, 2007, at 20:36:03
I think the amount of attention Dasiy may pay to facial expressions, I pay to the quality of her voice while lying down. Besides the tone, inflection, softness ... the spacing between words (faster, slower) all become important when I can't see her face. Even though I don't see her at all, I can tell when she is smiling, laughing, nodding her head, surprised, disappointed, etc. Sometimes I'll ask directly, "Are you smiling?" "Are you surprised?"
And I always know when she asks a question out of curiosity more than anything else.
Back to "knowing". Yes, I have experienced some of those precious moments while lying down. Mine are much more verbal but I do appreciate non-verbal communication too. I find silence comforting - sometimes. Just to be in her office with zero expectations to say anything. (My t is becoming slightly more comfortable during my silent moods.) When those moments of knowing are happening for me, it feels like we are in total sync with each other emotionally - she could probably finish my sentence/thought as I could hers. It's a deep layer of understanding at one's core.
I'm a little jealous Twinleaf when I hear about a successful five year analysis. What makes an analysis successful? Is there specific criteria that psychologist use to gage results? I ask this as I am approaching 4 years in January with my therapy.
And I smile reading your posts about your new t. When your first t disappointed you so gravely, who would have ever imagined finding another therapist on the first try to not only mend your heart, but move you forward with such strength and love. He seems amazing! Has your husband noticed a change about how you think about therapy and your therapist? You seem to have a fresh outlook on all areas of your life. A door has opened for you and although hesitant, you walked in and are learning to trust again.
Posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 0:01:41
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting', posted by annierose on September 8, 2007, at 23:04:08
You asked, "what makes an analysis successful?"
That is the 64 million dollar question. The Boston Change group studies this and has been asking the question, "what is it about therapy that creates change?" The broad answer is "the relationship" -- but they dig further and ask, "what about the relationship?" Louis Cozolino is a neurobiologist and he thinks that the relationship provides the safety and scaffolding so that the patient can tolerate the stress required for neural reorganization. He talks about therapy as creating a "safe emergency" for creating the right psychological structure and biological stimulus for rebuilding the brain. Simplified a great deal - certain chemicals are released under certain circumstances and these enhance the plasticity of the brain, allowing us to learn or change. Hopefully, a therapist will be stimulating the right mixture of brain chemicals with empathy, consistency and yes - a bit of challenge.
Freud would say a successful analysis is when a person realizes their primitive urges and stops repressing them. They could then go on to lead lives of "typical" suffering.
I guess I want to believe that therapy is successful if you can make the needed changes that help you with your life, which is not to say you won't need help again in the future. Since we are always changing and new challenges find their way to us, I think perhaps an analysis is never quite finished. Is it?
Posted by Dinah on September 9, 2007, at 0:26:18
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting' » muffled, posted by DAisym on September 8, 2007, at 20:30:07
I'm not sure if I have this or not... We've been together so long that it feels as comfy as an old shoe.
There have been times, and still are sometimes, when I feel held in therapy, and it's the most wonderful feeling in the world. Is that what it is?
Most sessions I feel connected with him from the moment I get in the room. His every reaction, his moods, his level of engagement, all are as tangible as if I could reach out and feel each slight change in texture or see every microscopic ripple. But that's on my side. On his side, he usually is there, engaged, and what we create from our combined energies is an almost sacred therapeutic space. Sort of like when the wands met in Harry Potter 4 but without the fight part of it. If he isn't putting himself fully into the engagement, I'll usually try to coax, then pull him in, and if that doesn't work I get a bit frantic. But that is the everyday level of therapeutic engagement. Not anything out of the ordinary.
I'm not sure if I've had what you two are talking about. I feel restless when I read it, which tends to make me think I haven't.
Posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 0:27:55
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting', posted by annierose on September 8, 2007, at 23:04:08
Thank you so much for your lovely and encouraging thoughts about me and the new T., Annie. I was so lucky to find him, although I didn't really feel that until the last month or so. I was just a basket case of trauma when I first came to him- the awful behavior of the first T having added to the problems I originally came to him for four years ago. Everything is so much better now, and it is true that my husband and sons have noticed that I'm more my old lively self. I feel so grateful. This new T. really "contains" people extremely well, and, as a result, there is less pain, and more exploration.
As to the analysis being finished and successful: that was a training analysis for the candidate, and so had to be tied up at some point. Daisy has such a good point; in a way they are never finished, and since this was a case presentation, we didn't get to hear how the patient felt- he might have felt it wasn't so successful, or that the termination was premature.
Your T. sounds wonderful, too, and you seem to be describing the same close, wonderful moments. Even though you don't see her, you use all your other senses to feel and know her. My T. has a couch, and says I may want to use it later, but that's optional. Would you say that you are in analysis, or analytic therapy?
Posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 1:03:37
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting', posted by Dinah on September 9, 2007, at 0:26:18
You are certainly describing something very similiar. The only difference seems to be that you are describing a wonderful degree of connnectedness which you are able to find every time you see him, whereas we were (I think) describing kind of rare and unusual moments when traumatized younger, non-verbal aspects of ourselves make it into the therapy space and are able to feel known by the therapist. For me, at least, these moments (about six in four years, only) involve huge amounts of fear, longing, tears, followed by a joyful and peaceful being together, I never forget them, and I feel better- a permanent sort of better- after they are over. I never know when one of these moments will happen, but I can see that both I and my T. are constantly working towards them, and preparing the ground so that they can happen. For me, they are non-verbal- and then talked about after they occur.
Would it be accurate to say that these moments are kind of rare because they involve split-off, early parts of ourselves becoming able to have a relationship with our therapists, while you are talking about a more main, principal part of you being able to feel connected? It's hard to say, though, as the way you describe how you feel when you try to have that connecton does sound as though a quite young part of you is there. Another question to ask: do you have powerful moments of feeling known by him in a new way?
Posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 5:39:46
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting' » Dinah, posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 1:03:37
I find this an interesting topic - but what I wish I understood was what exactly people mean when they write about their 'younger selves/parts' or 'inner child'. Is this the distinction between ourselves now remembering and rationalising our past experiences and how these experiences actually felt and were rationalised at the time we experienced them as children? Or is it referring to a greater dissociation?
I find I can hold my earlier memories in mind but can only bear to be in touch with how it really felt or parts of how it really felt at the various points of my childhood for short intense periods - normally these memories are distanced or buffered. Being in touch in this way causes a great deal of pain and consumes such an amount of energy.
I see the analogy of a spaceman walking on the moon - most of the time is spent in the air but every now and again he touches back down to the surface briefly before propelling himself away again. Is this the dichotomy that people describe or am I missing something bigger (I realise I'm being simplistic here - hope this doesn't seem a stupid question or offensive). I.e. suppressing these feelings or allowing oneself to 'be' and 'feel' how that younger self felt.
Witti
Posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 9:42:23
In reply to Younger parts/selves, posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 5:39:46
No, it's a wonderful question. I think we all mean slightly different things when we are speaking about younger selves. Daisy (I hope you'll speak for yourself, because I may not have understood it correctly) spoke about feeling that a younger, traumatized part of herself was on the ceiling, and then came down and was more unified with her, and able to speak- through Daisy's voice, of course- about some very painful topics.
I am more like you, I think. I can describe traumas that I endured as a child, without re-experiencing the tremendous pain I felt as they were happening. In the present, I feel a lot of anxiety, instead. So, my task is to become more in touch with what the REAL feelings were. The "moments of meeting" seem to occur when I am able to feel those feelings again, while I am also feeling understood by my therapist. He describes his part in this as "bearing witness", with his mind and his heart.
I think these things are all different forms of dissociation- the mildest forms of them. The worse the traumas have been, the more one tends to dissociate. More intense forms of it involve feeling that you really do have separate parts, even to the point of naming them. It's a wonderful survival system for traumatized people, but you are left with a lot of pain, and an unintegrated self which isn't able to meet all the challenges of being an adult
as well as you would if you hadn't had to form some degree of dissociation. So the work of therapy is to sort of get everything back together. I don't think any of us could do it ourselves, but we can in the presence of a caring therapist who gets to know about these dissociated parts of ourselves, and who treats them in a caring and accepting way. Then we can do it, too.
Posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 11:40:07
In reply to Re: Younger parts/selves » Wittgenstein, posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 9:42:23
Twinleaf,
Thank you for the explanation. This makes a lot of sense and is really important for me to understand. I hadn't really thought of myself as dissociating. In T I mostly describe my earlier traumas without feeling them - as if I am talking about someone else, not me - rather as if I am an on-looker. A few memories are blurred and vague but most are accessible. I tend to experience feelings of guilt and betrayal after such sessions (although I would be the one betraying myself, an earlier self by 'telling' or 'trivializing' these experiences) - at times I doubt myself - doubt anything actually happened as they feel so removed and they were denied and concealed at the time.
The experience you write of between you and your T sounds so powerful and healing. I haven't experienced this (although have only been in therapy for a matter of months) - I wish I could experience this though. The few times in session that I have been acutely aware of childhood traumas (experiencing/feeling them through my own eyes as a child) I tend to retreat into myself and into silence - perhaps a couple of times I've felt his presence in those moments (rather than my completely leaving that space altogether and feeling in 'free fall' which is what usually happens) but I don't think there is the trust there yet to feel the 'moments of meeting'. I can't stop assuming that he is thinking negative thoughts behind his empathetic exterior and thinking I am lying - although he insists this isn't the case. I suppose a real/complete sense of trust and safety is something that one has to work very hard for.
Witti
Posted by RealMe on September 9, 2007, at 11:54:01
In reply to Re: Younger parts/selves » Wittgenstein, posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 9:42:23
I used to have separate parts that did not even know about each other, and my work some 20 years ago was to put those parts together and know about each other. I did this, but then I stopped and did not work on accessing all of the pain. I had looked at some of it, but I mostly got to the point where I could talk about csa and cpa without too much emotion.
I am not working on the abuse isses and have mostly been working on trust as my T is new to me, and I had a very bad experience with the one just previous to him. So, I have had a couple of sessions where I accessed the pain and emotion of the time. I had found a picture of my self at age 8, and I brought a copy of it in for my T to see. He kept it to my surprise and said something about how sweet I looked.
Anyway, accessing the pain and emotion of things that happened, the various events, is extremely draining and powerful and very sad. I remember the first time, I felt so sad and recognized I had left a part of me behind waiting for me to come and take her by the hand out of the hell hole she was still in. This maybe does not make sense. I almost felt worse because at least 20 years ago I wasn't so aware of her.
But no excuse since now. I feel like I just locked her in a closet and left her, thinking it would be okay. It isn't, and it wasn't. What worries me about therapy and really getting into those momements in time as that child, that I will not have the strength to go to work afterwards. My T says things will spill over for awhile. He works very hard to keep me contained by making links and offering himself during the last 10 minutes of the session. So, I don't leave with it all hanging out. He is like what some talk about. My T is feeling right along side me, and I am aware of it. Sometimes I wish he did not have to feel the pain too, but he says this is how he can help me, and if it is ever too much for him in a session, we will look at why that is. He says he will never quit on me. I don't think I can ask for anymore.
RealMe
(OzLand)
Posted by Dinah on September 9, 2007, at 13:06:34
In reply to Re: 'moments of meeting' » Dinah, posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 1:03:37
I don't tend to associate my experience with different age states. And no, I don't really. I'm not sure after all this time there is a new way to know me, and I don't know that it ever involved what you're describing. It was always my explaining things to him and to myself I guess over and over until something I said clicked with him and he understood. I don't think I felt magic at those moments. More like achievement.
When I lose my words, he doesn't understand what I'm trying to convey at all. He doesn't experience things in the same way I do.
I do remember when I realized he could tell who he was talking to (for want of a better phrase). That felt... I don't have the words but I'm sure it was not what you describe.
I think I am a bit jealous, although I guess my own therapy has its own ways of being special.
Posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 13:18:59
In reply to Re: Younger parts/selves » twinleaf, posted by RealMe on September 9, 2007, at 11:54:01
RealMe
I suddenly feel ever so triggered :(
" Anyway, accessing the pain and emotion of things that happened, the various events, is extremely draining and powerful and very sad... "
This part of your post reminds me of a very intense few weeks I had some months ago - at the time when I first allowed myself to feel any of this (it followed my first meeting with a psychiatrist and where I first talked about my past) - I'd felt increasingly unwell for a long time (anxiety and depression) but this was the first time all of those things from the past felt vivid and present - before that I'd pushed them away, buried them. It was so painful and choking - a pain I could never have understood without having experienced it. I couldn't tolerate noise, light, movement... everything was unbearable - all I could think was to end it all. I still get these episodes at times when I am overwhelmed by what's happening in therapy. I'm terrified of them.
At one point, not long after I started seeing my therapist, I brought in some old things from my past - photos, a diary and some other things. He looked through my childhood photos so delicately. I haven't been able to look at them since - not sure why.
Posted by RealMe on September 9, 2007, at 13:53:00
In reply to Feeling triggered » RealMe, posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 13:18:59
I am truely sorry if what I said triggered you. I certainly did not mean to cause anyone any pain. I have the same trouble you are talking about, and though I know it is necessary to access the pain, I strongly resist it. So, my therapist and I are actually looking at some of the events in my early adult life that are related but not quite so painful. I am not sure what to do as I start crying at the drop of a pin when I even start thinking about anything. Sounds like you have a good therapist too.
RealM
(OzLand)I am so sorry; I probably should not say stuff as you are not the first person who said they were triggered by something I said. I am really sorry,
Posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 14:56:05
In reply to Re: Feeling triggered » Wittgenstein, posted by RealMe on September 9, 2007, at 13:53:00
I don't think anyone is upset with you - some things are inherently triggering. (I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here Witti.) Don't feel bad. All this stuff is really hard. And it has been my experience that knowing other people are "allowed" to really feel the depth of the pain makes me feel mine a bit more. That isn't their fault - or yours - it is part of the process.
And reading and writing about this stuff brings it to the surface - right brain/left brain integration. No worries, really. This is a GREAT discussion and why I love Babble.
Posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 15:09:09
In reply to Feeling triggered » RealMe, posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 13:18:59
"but this was the first time all of those things from the past felt vivid and present - before that I'd pushed them away, buried them."
***Having a safe place to feel these things will do this. We might "know" what happened but I think when the timing and setting is right, we begin to feel things again."It was so painful and choking - a pain I could never have understood without having experienced it. I couldn't tolerate noise, light, movement... everything was unbearable - "
****Yes - this happened to me too. The first time I told about the csa (after months in therapy and I only told a tiny bit) I left and threw up in the parking lot. And then I went to bed for the whole weekend. I didn't bring it up again for weeks."all I could think was to end it all. I still get these episodes at times when I am overwhelmed by what's happening in therapy. I'm terrified of them."
****There is a shaded box in "Courage to Heal" that is titled: "Don't kill yourself" and talks about the emergency stage of telling. Usually it is at the beginning but for me it is a cycle. I try to remember that these feelings are old and I'm not trapped anymore. But the pain is very real and I just want it to stop sometimes.Unpacking your feelings needs to be done slowly and cautiously. It is so tempting to try and push through it -- to just tell it and feel it and rage against it. But this usually just results in flooding and fragmentation and retraumatization. This really is a slow process - cleaning a wound, putting on a bandage, changing the bandage and then cleaning the wound again. It won't last forever (my therapist promises) but it takes a while.
And truthfully, getting in touch with all these old feelings isn't the right approach for everyone. If they are pushing through and creating problems in your life - you really have no choice. But if things are pretty OK, stirring around just because there is some old notion that everything has to be processed can be more harmful than helpful. This isn't avoiding or denial, it is acknowledging without revisiting.
I hope this makes sense.
Posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 15:35:40
In reply to Re: Younger parts/selves » Wittgenstein, posted by twinleaf on September 9, 2007, at 9:42:23
I've written about this before but I still struggle with this concept. If it hadn't happened to me I'd never have believed you could feel completely 7 or 9 or 11 years old. I'm not DID in the sense of losing myself to parts. But there are definately encapsulated age states that have their own feelings and memories about things. And when I feel these parts, sometimes I want to give in and just let that part take over - talk from that age and ask questions. I never give voice to a younger part outside of therapy or journaling. But I can and have felt young at weird times and it does make life difficult. Boy -- this is so hard to explain.
Most of the stuff I've read about "inner child" or feeling young talks about recognizing a response to something that is coming from a childlike part of ourself. For example, being afraid of the dark. Most children are afraid of the dark and we may find those fears surfacing, even without reason. We can then recognize those as "young" fears - with or without reason - and we soothe ourself most often by using adult intellect. (there is nothing in the dark to be afraid of.) I'm taking it a step further and saying that when I feel young - I can access the feelings exactly as they were when I was that age - and my adult may or may not sit along side this younger part. For example - my 7-year-old self has a lot of anguish about getting out of bed in the middle of the night. If she hadn't done that, etc. The adult me knows it is OK for a scared 7-year-old to get out of bed and no matter what she did, she didn't deserve any part of the csa. But the 7 year old, when she kicks in, expresses her anguish straight out, not tempered by what the adult-me knows. And my therapist responds to her directly, answering questions and soothing her. If the adult-me were to express the same sentiments (and has) he'd challenge me, do some reality testing, etc. He never does that when I'm in this younger place.
We talk about this all the time in therapy - my need to be young to work through some of this. I'm worried a lot that it is a cop-out somehow, or that I'm being weird or weak or something. He just wants me to let things happen as they are happening and he is totally OK with talking to the younger parts. I feel completely crazy - like I said, if it wasn't happening to me, I'd never believe it. But having questions asked and answered this way has allowed thinking shifts that resonate deep inside and are not just intellectual constructs. In this way I believe I'm feeling the definition of healing - I don't just know it. Last week my therapist said, "it makes total sense that these younger parts need to glom onto me - you don't like them much." "Glom? - great, now I glom (rhymes with bomb)" But he was right.
I'm sure now you all think I'm completely over the edge. *sigh*
Posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 18:11:11
In reply to Re: Feeling triggered » RealMe, posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 14:56:05
Thank you Daisy - you hit the nail on the head. I'm not upset with you RealMe, not in the slightest - I'm sorry I wasn't more considerate with my reply - please read my post further down on your new thread.
Take care,
Witti
Posted by antigua3 on September 10, 2007, at 10:06:41
In reply to Feeling triggered » RealMe, posted by Wittgenstein on September 9, 2007, at 13:18:59
I feel the same way, but it's OK. I chose to read and learned a lot, but.... it still hurts. I have such trouble with the emotions of the younger child; I can't assume them often. I'm stuck on the analytical adult.
antigua
Posted by antigua3 on September 10, 2007, at 10:20:56
In reply to Re: Feeling triggered » Wittgenstein, posted by antigua3 on September 10, 2007, at 10:06:41
My being triggered is about me, and not what you're saying. you are an inspirational source of info and insight and I'm so glad you post. I didn't mean to offend you in any way, so if I did, I'm truly sorry.
Don't stop posting. I'll keep my mouth shut next time, I promise!
antigua
Posted by Wittgenstein on September 12, 2007, at 4:16:47
In reply to Re: Younger parts/selves - long/trigger?, posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 15:35:40
Daisy,
Thank you - I love the openness with which you write.
I don't think you are weak or weird in the slightest. It makes complete sense that your process of healing is not limited to you as a rational adult.
The developing child who knew no different, who depended on her care-givers to teach her trust self-respect, self-love and self-worth but who was denied these things - as adults, as we process these early experiences we do so within a wider context - we rationalise - and thus leave out the fact that as children we didn't have that wider context. I think in order to deal with these traumas we need to return to our childhood and reprocess what happened within the context as we experienced them at the time.
You said in your earlier post that somethings are best left alone - stirring up past memories unnecessarily - and likewise, too much too soon makes life unbearable. But when these repressed traumas surface in adult life as anxiety, depression, nightmares etc. then it is time to free ourselves from them.
I think you and your T are great.
Take care,
Witti
Posted by muffled on September 12, 2007, at 8:48:09
In reply to Re: Younger parts/selves - long/trigger?, posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 15:35:40
>I'm sure now you all think I'm completely over the edge. *sigh*
*Daisy, you are SO NOT over the edge. I think sometimes not enuf is taught bout this stuff. i think its VERY important. I could do little in T w/o knowing of my inner world. All was just noise and confusion.
So, if ya want to hear 'over the edge'....well, just so's you don't feel like the oddest bunny in the bunch...
so, sometimes i can 'see' a persons kid inside...now THATS weird. I don't actually see it per se, its hard to describe, and its painful sometimes, but it don't happen often thankfully. But its very real, and I beleive its a true thing. I beleive its one of those God gift/curse things that, if i could just get my sh*t together, I could help others somehow...
Anyhow, just wanted you not to feel so weird. I wonder if your T can 'see' peoples kids...
Anyhow,
Take care Daisy.
M
Posted by sunnydays on September 12, 2007, at 9:38:42
In reply to Re: Younger parts/selves - long/trigger?, posted by DAisym on September 9, 2007, at 15:35:40
Hi,
I just thought I'd say I think I understand where you're coming from Daisy. Last night I actually emailed my T and asked if I could bring my stuffed animal if I wanted. I got his response this morning and I am so happy. He said they're welcome whenever I or they want them to come! :)sunnydays
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